WDFW Predator Lawsuit

[Tbar]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

Where would the SWAP play into that argument? Benefit and detriment?

[idahohuntr]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

Where would the SWAP play into that argument? Benefit and detriment?

SWAP? I'm not tracking what you are referring to...

[pianoman9701]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

From the legal side, the enviro groups don't care about the sweet little fawns. They're not supporting a predator spiral because they love wildlife. They support it to undermine and eventually end hunting. It's probably not going to be possible to spin a different angle on a lawsuit aimed at changing the DFW's flawed predator management or lack thereof.

[jasnt]

Any and all input on the design is appreciated

[hunter399]

I would support a lawsuit more if us hunters are also counted as predators.
I think wdfw has mismanaged predators ,animal kind and human kind as with hunting regs in general .
I don't see a lot of Hunters that are gonna agree that hunters and the way we are managed through the regs that are set as part of the problem as well.

Also what is the agenda of the lawsuit ,as compensation for hunters ,would be one question I would have to ask before I was fully support it.
Hound hunting returned
Bear baiting
Wolf hunting
Better regs for deer ,moose ,elk, to compensate for more predators .
Why are we dumping money and time ,what is the goal,or the big picture?

[Tbar]

State wildlife action plan.  It seems that the caribou would have been a perfect opportunity to use their own documents to facilitate management. That would have been a possible benefit but now there is extensive work done to identify sgcn. If this is an agency guiding document, what work has been done to identify the poor management by the department.  It may look as if the agency is fulfilling its mission with representations.

[Tbar]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

From the legal side, the enviro groups don't care about the sweet little fawns. They're not supporting a predator spiral because they love wildlife. They support it to undermine and eventually end hunting. It's probably not going to be possible to spin a different angle on a lawsuit aimed at changing the DFW's flawed predator management or lack thereof.

So hunters are going to "found and fund" a lawsuit that probably is not possible to win?  Am I following you correctly piano?

[hunter399]

I support all predator management and would like all of the above I mentioned .I guess I'm trying to figure out if this is just a wolf thing or all predators or what?

[pianoman9701]

I would support a lawsuit more if us hunters are also counted as predators.
I think wdfw has mismanaged predators ,animal kind and human kind as with hunting regs in general .
I don't see a lot of Hunters that are gonna agree that hunters and the way we are managed through the regs that are set as part of the problem as well.

Also what is the agenda of the lawsuit ,as compensation for hunters ,would be one question I would have to ask before I was fully support it.
Hound hunting returned
Bear baiting
Wolf hunting
Better regs for deer ,moose ,elk, to compensate for more predators .
Why are we dumping money and time ,what is the goal,or the big picture?

Your questions will be answered when the suit is initiated. I believe most hunters who are concerned about our game animals understand that we have an unchecked predator spiral in this state and will support it.

[pianoman9701]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

From the legal side, the enviro groups don't care about the sweet little fawns. They're not supporting a predator spiral because they love wildlife. They support it to undermine and eventually end hunting. It's probably not going to be possible to spin a different angle on a lawsuit aimed at changing the DFW's flawed predator management or lack thereof.

So hunters are going to "found and fund" a lawsuit that probably is not possible to win?  Am I following you correctly piano?

No, you are not following.  I really have no more to say until the suit is filed.

[Tbar]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

From the legal side, the enviro groups don't care about the sweet little fawns. They're not supporting a predator spiral because they love wildlife. They support it to undermine and eventually end hunting. It's probably not going to be possible to spin a different angle on a lawsuit aimed at changing the DFW's flawed predator management or lack thereof.

So hunters are going to "found and fund" a lawsuit that probably is not possible to win?  Am I following you correctly piano?

No, you are not following.  I really have no more to say until the suit is filed.

What am I not following? I think you are correct.  To enter into litigation unarmed is cavalier at best.  What literature is out there to help educate and paint the picture of poor management? I honestly would love to read it all! To gain support preparation is needed and you seem to have the inside track. 

[pianoman9701]

If it were impossible to win, it wouldn't be filed. Not sure where you got that from the above comments which are related more to observation of the above proposed stickers/signs and the perception of the public. Those comments have nothing to do with the lawsuit.

[Bango skank]

Any and all input on the design is appreciated

I think its kind of too busy.  With all that going on, a decal would have to be huge.  Id say the state needs to be removed, or made much smaller.   

[idahohuntr]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

From the legal side, the enviro groups don't care about the sweet little fawns. They're not supporting a predator spiral because they love wildlife. They support it to undermine and eventually end hunting. It's probably not going to be possible to spin a different angle on a lawsuit aimed at changing the DFW's flawed predator management or lack thereof.

I'm talking about only the PR side, not the legal side.  As I've previously stated, I'm withholding judgement until substantially more detail is presented on the lawsuit - but with the limited information provided thus far - I see no path to success for a lawsuit at this time.  Hence a PR effort might be more fruitful and my point still stands...a successful PR campaign would follow what I outline above.  The PR campaign is not directed at the crazies on the enviro side...you'll never convince them of anything.  It's to convince that middle 80% voting bloc that we need more balanced wildlife management than is occurring. 

[pianoman9701]

Even though certain antics might be humorous, I'm not sure what will actually help our cause. Once this suit gets underway certain enviro groups and/or media will likely use anything to make hunters look like hillbillies who know nothing.

From a general PR side regarding predator management - I think the notion of highlighting loss of Caribou and concerns about other ungulates is a much better approach than directly targeting predators.  The urban folks still love their cuddly wolves and bears...so make the issue about saving those sweet little fawns and calves with their pretty brown eyes.  Any of the garbage with crosshairs and kill all the wolves will only hurt the cause in this liberal state.  The message should be about balanced wildlife management...not annihilating any one species or killing them down to minimal levels. 

From the legal side, the enviro groups don't care about the sweet little fawns. They're not supporting a predator spiral because they love wildlife. They support it to undermine and eventually end hunting. It's probably not going to be possible to spin a different angle on a lawsuit aimed at changing the DFW's flawed predator management or lack thereof.

I'm talking about only the PR side, not the legal side.  As I've previously stated, I'm withholding judgement until substantially more detail is presented on the lawsuit - but with the limited information provided thus far - I see no path to success for a lawsuit at this time.  Hence a PR effort might be more fruitful and my point still stands...a successful PR campaign would follow what I outline above.  The PR campaign is not directed at the crazies on the enviro side...you'll never convince them of anything.  It's to convince that middle 80% voting bloc that we need more balanced wildlife management than is occurring.

This is a lawsuit, not an initiative. You don't need to convince the general public of anything. You need to convince 12 jurors and a judge after facts and testimony have been presented to them. I would imagine the purpose of the above stickers would be to raise money for the suit. Appeal to sportsmen.