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Imo it benefits the public also they have great habitat for allot of ducks and they will spill over to public ponds I know that might not explain it well but you get what I'm saying I hope
Quote from: huntnfmly on January 02, 2019, 06:55:32 PMImo it benefits the public also they have great habitat for allot of ducks and they will spill over to public ponds I know that might not explain it well but you get what I'm saying I hopeThey don't spill over. Thats the whole point of flooded corn vs. dry corn. The ducks literally don't have to move. They can loaf and feed in the same spot. That is why Eagle Lakes and others went to all the effort to abuse a loophole in the baiting law by growing corn in low spots and artificially flooding it. They even brag in youtube videos that they stop the migration from happening....Private dry corn, however, immensely helps public land areas that have water because ducks travel from feed areas to loafing areas. So there is a definite partnership that used to happen between farmers and sportsmen. But this isn't about agriculture - its about Bernsen and others making a literal killing
Quote from: Sneaky on January 02, 2019, 07:03:18 PMQuote from: huntnfmly on January 02, 2019, 06:55:32 PMImo it benefits the public also they have great habitat for allot of ducks and they will spill over to public ponds I know that might not explain it well but you get what I'm saying I hopeThey don't spill over. Thats the whole point of flooded corn vs. dry corn. The ducks literally don't have to move. They can loaf and feed in the same spot. That is why Eagle Lakes and others went to all the effort to abuse a loophole in the baiting law by growing corn in low spots and artificially flooding it. They even brag in youtube videos that they stop the migration from happening....Private dry corn, however, immensely helps public land areas that have water because ducks travel from feed areas to loafing areas. So there is a definite partnership that used to happen between farmers and sportsmen. But this isn't about agriculture - its about Bernsen and others making a literal killing You may have missed my pointDo the ducks live and die there? Do they travel from other areas?.To me it's the same as private ranches with deer and elk it benefits the animal
Quote from: cougforester on January 02, 2019, 05:21:33 PMI'll quote from the signature line of this forum's owner: "Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!". Don't like private property owners flooding corn? Let's ban it so everyone gets a better shot at having birds! Yay! First no corn or water manipulation. Then no planting of crops in plots over 20 acres. Then no planting of crops at all. Once you lose the right to do something, it will never come back. Just because you don't like this one thing does not mean should get to stop all landowners from operating on their land within the boundaries of the law as it's currently written.how is allowing a business to concentrate and kill a migratory public resource supporting opportunity for anyone but the business? That is what is occurring here. This isn't about land rights, its about public resource abuse to MAKE MONEY and piles of it.There is already a law against baiting waterfowl. As with any wildlife regulation, loopholes are found and abused until legislation can catch up. A good recent example is the use of drones for hunting. Technology and innovation will always outpace conservation measures because conservation can only react to current events. This is baiting waterfowl - no two ways about it - and should not be legal based on issues of fairness to public hunters and conservation of the resourceTo put this in perspective, 1,064 ducks is 152 limits. Thats $53,200 at $350 a gun that can be re-invested to buy more land, more corn, more pumps...whats the limit? there is none. What started with a single pond and a really good idea to concentrate and kill ducks has grown to 40 by one outfitter alone. Public opportunity is suffering. Hunting ducks is becoming pay to play and profiteers aren't taking their foot off the gas anytime soon.It's also worth mentioning the disaster in burbank a couple years back where one guide service artificially flooded and hunted a standing crop and had to get in the pond early to pick up all the dead ducks before his clients showed up.... Avian Cholera...in 20+ years of hunting waterfowl never heard of it until it happened down south. These operations concentrate publicly owned ducks in a manner that is both unfair and unhealthy for birds.
I'll quote from the signature line of this forum's owner: "Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!". Don't like private property owners flooding corn? Let's ban it so everyone gets a better shot at having birds! Yay! First no corn or water manipulation. Then no planting of crops in plots over 20 acres. Then no planting of crops at all. Once you lose the right to do something, it will never come back. Just because you don't like this one thing does not mean should get to stop all landowners from operating on their land within the boundaries of the law as it's currently written.
According to their website, as 'Stewards', they must put back more than they take. If true, that is a lot of duck production. Win Win for everyone, right? Their land, do what they want. I still kill plenty of birds through many years of trial and error, even near Refuge areas. Environmental laws will probably be their downfall.
Quote from: Sneaky on January 02, 2019, 06:45:14 PMQuote from: cougforester on January 02, 2019, 05:21:33 PMI'll quote from the signature line of this forum's owner: "Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!". Don't like private property owners flooding corn? Let's ban it so everyone gets a better shot at having birds! Yay! First no corn or water manipulation. Then no planting of crops in plots over 20 acres. Then no planting of crops at all. Once you lose the right to do something, it will never come back. Just because you don't like this one thing does not mean should get to stop all landowners from operating on their land within the boundaries of the law as it's currently written.how is allowing a business to concentrate and kill a migratory public resource supporting opportunity for anyone but the business? That is what is occurring here. This isn't about land rights, its about public resource abuse to MAKE MONEY and piles of it.There is already a law against baiting waterfowl. As with any wildlife regulation, loopholes are found and abused until legislation can catch up. A good recent example is the use of drones for hunting. Technology and innovation will always outpace conservation measures because conservation can only react to current events. This is baiting waterfowl - no two ways about it - and should not be legal based on issues of fairness to public hunters and conservation of the resourceTo put this in perspective, 1,064 ducks is 152 limits. Thats $53,200 at $350 a gun that can be re-invested to buy more land, more corn, more pumps...whats the limit? there is none. What started with a single pond and a really good idea to concentrate and kill ducks has grown to 40 by one outfitter alone. Public opportunity is suffering. Hunting ducks is becoming pay to play and profiteers aren't taking their foot off the gas anytime soon.It's also worth mentioning the disaster in burbank a couple years back where one guide service artificially flooded and hunted a standing crop and had to get in the pond early to pick up all the dead ducks before his clients showed up.... Avian Cholera...in 20+ years of hunting waterfowl never heard of it until it happened down south. These operations concentrate publicly owned ducks in a manner that is both unfair and unhealthy for birds.A better perspective is Eagle Lakes posts 25-38 limits a day. Do the math on that one. Turn on the pumps and the decoys are dancing in the flooded corn. The ducks drop in at 10-25 yards like nothing. It’s a turkey shoot most days and limits for most. If you don’t limit, it’s due to you blowing off the dust and not able to hit the side of a barn! The clubs have shifted the flyways and hold tons of birds in the tens of thousands and more. You shoot and they fly to the next pond and get whacked at by the next group. It’s a fun experience and one many never get to experience outside of that type of hunt. I do see where some sort of restrictions are the only way to level the field. They short stop a lot of birds and it is turning into big business.
Do the math if you got 33 people to pay 350$ a trip even half the season that's over $600,000 crazy money to be made. We can all come on here and talk talk all we want but when the public comment period comes out for waterfowl seasons you have to go online and voice your opinion some place other than here.
Quote from: drk9988 on January 02, 2019, 08:48:09 PMDo the math if you got 33 people to pay 350$ a trip even half the season that's over $600,000 crazy money to be made. We can all come on here and talk talk all we want but when the public comment period comes out for waterfowl seasons you have to go online and voice your opinion some place other than here.What kind of math?
