Radio Collared "WOLF IN TOWN" this morning, WDFW called

[jackelope]

I'm just sitting over here wondering why we didn't build cages at the bus stops to protect the kids from bears and mountain lions and cougars and coyotes and bobcats and stray dogs and chi-mo's...most of which likely pose more of a threat than a wolf does.

Mountain lions and cougars?

And pumas.


You got me on that one. Oops.

[pianoman9701]

I'm just sitting over here wondering why we didn't build cages at the bus stops to protect the kids from bears and mountain lions and cougars and coyotes and bobcats and stray dogs and chi-mo's...most of which likely pose more of a threat than a wolf does.

I sincerely hope your words don't become your diet, JL. But, I fear they will. We haven't known wolves as a danger in North America because until a relatively short time ago, we killed them all. The ones who live here now don't know that. I think they're beginning to size us up. Just my opinion.

You keep going back to only wolves... what about the rest of the animals I mentioned? I have all of them around me and are seen regularly and I don't even live out in the woods. Dale pretty much lives like Grizzly Adams compared to me. I have trail cam pics of bears in my backyard at my new house. I left for work later than normal the other day. Saw at least 30 kids waiting for buses. No cages.

If you reread my posts, JL, I'm for managing all of them. I think cougars are dangerous and they've proved so in the last few years especially. But I also think you're fooling yourself because wolves haven't been attacking people here in NA. Managing any of these is not mutually exclusive. Don't ignore the wolves just because they haven't shown their true nature yet. I can almost guarantee that they will if we don't teach them to fear us.

[vandeman17]

I'm just sitting over here wondering why we didn't build cages at the bus stops to protect the kids from bears and mountain lions and cougars and coyotes and bobcats and stray dogs and chi-mo's...most of which likely pose more of a threat than a wolf does.

I sincerely hope your words don't become your diet, JL. But, I fear they will. We haven't known wolves as a danger in North America because until a relatively short time ago, we killed them all. The ones who live here now don't know that. I think they're beginning to size us up. Just my opinion.

You keep going back to only wolves... what about the rest of the animals I mentioned? I have all of them around me and are seen regularly and I don't even live out in the woods. Dale pretty much lives like Grizzly Adams compared to me. I have trail cam pics of bears in my backyard at my new house. I left for work later than normal the other day. Saw at least 30 kids waiting for buses. No cages.

If you reread my posts, JL, I'm for managing all of them. I think cougars are dangerous and they've proved so in the last few years especially. But I also think you're fooling yourself because wolves haven't been attacking people here in NA. Managing any of these is not mutually exclusive. Don't ignore the wolves just because they haven't shown their true nature yet. I can almost guarantee that they will if we don't teach them to fear us.

What you are doing is putting wolves ABOVE cougars and other predators. What I have been saying, and I believe Josh is as well is that we just don't think they should be as viewed as a bigger threat than the others. They aren't going to suddenly start grabbing kids and people off every dark back road just because we haven't seen their "true nature" A lot of things would have to change in our landscape to even compare them to the nature of wolves on other continents. 

[jackelope]

I'm just sitting over here wondering why we didn't build cages at the bus stops to protect the kids from bears and mountain lions and cougars and coyotes and bobcats and stray dogs and chi-mo's...most of which likely pose more of a threat than a wolf does.

I sincerely hope your words don't become your diet, JL. But, I fear they will. We haven't known wolves as a danger in North America because until a relatively short time ago, we killed them all. The ones who live here now don't know that. I think they're beginning to size us up. Just my opinion.

You keep going back to only wolves... what about the rest of the animals I mentioned? I have all of them around me and are seen regularly and I don't even live out in the woods. Dale pretty much lives like Grizzly Adams compared to me. I have trail cam pics of bears in my backyard at my new house. I left for work later than normal the other day. Saw at least 30 kids waiting for buses. No cages.

If you reread my posts, JL, I'm for managing all of them. I think cougars are dangerous and they've proved so in the last few years especially. But I also think you're fooling yourself because wolves haven't been attacking people here in NA. Managing any of these is not mutually exclusive. Don't ignore the wolves just because they haven't shown their true nature yet. I can almost guarantee that they will if we don't teach them to fear us.

I'm really just wondering why we haven't felt like we needed cages for the kids to protect them against the bears and cougars and chi-mo's that have been here and have been attacking/killing/eating people regularly over the last umpteen years before wolves were an issue.

[pianoman9701]

I've never said anything about cages. But the fact that we've never worried about our children's safety with regards to any predators doesn't mean we shouldn't. Do what you think is right for your family. I think the families in the NE may be in for some nasty happenings in the future. We've gone around on this enough. Have a good night.

[huntnfmly]

I'm just sitting over here wondering why we didn't build cages at the bus stops to protect the kids from bears and mountain lions and cougars and coyotes and bobcats and stray dogs and chi-mo's...most of which likely pose more of a threat than a wolf does.

I sincerely hope your words don't become your diet, JL. But, I fear they will. We haven't known wolves as a danger in North America because until a relatively short time ago, we killed them all. The ones who live here now don't know that. I think they're beginning to size us up. Just my opinion.

You keep going back to only wolves... what about the rest of the animals I mentioned? I have all of them around me and are seen regularly and I don't even live out in the woods. Dale pretty much lives like Grizzly Adams compared to me. I have trail cam pics of bears in my backyard at my new house. I left for work later than normal the other day. Saw at least 30 kids waiting for buses. No cages.

If you reread my posts, JL, I'm for managing all of them. I think cougars are dangerous and they've proved so in the last few years especially. But I also think you're fooling yourself because wolves haven't been attacking people here in NA. Managing any of these is not mutually exclusive. Don't ignore the wolves just because they haven't shown their true nature yet. I can almost guarantee that they will if we don't teach them to fear us.

What you are doing is putting wolves ABOVE cougars and other predators. What I have been saying, and I believe Josh is as well is that we just don't think they should be as viewed as a bigger threat than the others. They aren't going to suddenly start grabbing kids and people off every dark back road just because we haven't seen their "true nature" A lot of things would have to change in our landscape to even compare them to the nature of wolves on other continents. 

I think they should be put above other predators IMO they are smarter and hunt in packs big difference from cougars and bears and what is being said is that the landscape is changing and heading that way for wolf attacks

[Fl0und3rz]

Cougars and bears are hunted and taught to fear humans.  Wolves are not.  That is the point I got from Pman.

[grundy53]

Do you guys think wolves are actually a threat to kids waiting at a bus stop? Serious question, not just being a jerk.

A few months ago a young female school teacher was jogging up in Canada that was attacked and killed by wolves.

Also somewhere in Easter washington a few months ago a female researcher was doing some research work and had to climb a tree to get away from the wolves there.

So realistically wolves are a threat to humans butvthecass wipes in Olympia dont care. They have their deer & elk devastation plan into play and no one will get in their way.

It is time to wake up and do the right thing when you see these unregulated predators in my personal oppinion.

My only thing is people are attacked by cougars, bears etc yet there isn't the same mindset? Are wolves a danger to kids or people in general, of course they are. I am just not quick to jump at the idea they are MORE dangerous than other predators. 

If there were cougars or bears being seen in and around town or where my kids caught the bus then I would be just as nervous.

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[JimmyHoffa]

Do you guys think wolves are actually a threat to kids waiting at a bus stop? Serious question, not just being a jerk.

A few months ago a young female school teacher was jogging up in Canada that was attacked and killed by wolves.

Also somewhere in Easter washington a few months ago a female researcher was doing some research work and had to climb a tree to get away from the wolves there.

So realistically wolves are a threat to humans butvthecass wipes in Olympia dont care. They have their deer & elk devastation plan into play and no one will get in their way.

It is time to wake up and do the right thing when you see these unregulated predators in my personal oppinion.

My only thing is people are attacked by cougars, bears etc yet there isn't the same mindset? Are wolves a danger to kids or people in general, of course they are. I am just not quick to jump at the idea they are MORE dangerous than other predators. 

Wolves and grizzlies were more of a threat from the old stuff I've read, to people and livestock. 

[wolfbait]

Remember the first wolf pack was confirmed because it was called into the WSP, hanging out at a school buss stop.

And remember WDFW trying to call off the helicopter last summer?


Where ever the wolves "migrated" to, there are more wolves, these areas have and will continue to have more wolf/human encounters. WA has 17 plus years of wolves that have never been hunted, except for the ones the public has managed to educate or WDFW pretended to control over livestock predation.

 The lower 48 had it's share of wolf problems before they were shot out, but the pro-wolf side doesn't want to look at that too much.

As P-man and others have stated, in other countries where they never had guns, wolves killed a lot of people. It's only a matter of time for WA, with less prey in areas, Now not only wolves but cougars also are a major concern for public safety.

I don’t have much faith in WDFW ever going against their prize wolves now that things are heading south, when a wolf/wolves kill someone and it is finally confirmed, my guess is they will blame the the person one way or the other and call in their fake environmental partners to back their play, while rural communities double down on wolf control of their own.

[HighlandLofts]

oh and the teacher killed by wolves was 9 years ago in Alaska.
She is still dead the last I knew. And killed by wolves.

https://www.adn.com/outdoors/article/wolves-killed-alaska-teacher-2010-state-says/2011/12/07/

[Southpole]

Cougars and bears are hunted and taught to fear humans.  Wolves are not.  That is the point I got from Pman.

That, aaaaand, the legality of defending against an “endangered” animal (which we all know wolves aren’t endangered) weighs more on people’s minds if they try and defend themselves... makes things a little more complicated and second guessing?

[smittyJ]

I'm just sitting over here wondering why we didn't build cages at the bus stops to protect the kids from bears and mountain lions and cougars and coyotes and bobcats and stray dogs and chi-mo's...most of which likely pose more of a threat than a wolf does.

Walls don't work, don't ya know!

[Widgeondeke]

Wow! this is only 5 miles from where my son hunted for whitetails this past season.   
We did see a very healthy yote right after the deer we were watching scattered.

[Tbar]

Do you guys think wolves are actually a threat to kids waiting at a bus stop? Serious question, not just being a jerk.

I think it is a serious concern for people who kids are actually standing waiting for the bus in areas where wolves are being seen!

Let me ask this, how would you feel?

I don’t have kids so that is why I asked. I just know that growing up our bus dropped us at the bottom of our hill and we walked home which was a little over a mile in a wooded area. We had bears and cats around our houses but it was never a concern. Question was purely out of curiousity

He makes a legit point.

Wolf behavior is different. As they become acclimated to humans, without fear of harm from them, they'll come closer and closer. This is well documented around the world. As they get closer, they'll switch from killing livestock to killing pets, eating garbage and petfood, and eventually challenging and attacking humans. Smaller humans are the simpler prey. Read about what happens in Russia every 30 years or so. The people are unarmed, so they don't kill wolves. Wolf packs eventually attack the humans and the government is called in to eradicate them and teach them to fear humans again. This cycle is nearing its end here in NE WA. Were they my children, they wouldn't go out without protection from these animals.

How and why do they allow visitors in Yellowstone?  Using your logic and expertise it seems like humans would be on the daily menu for wolves.