Radio Collared "WOLF IN TOWN" this morning, WDFW called

[pianoman9701]

Tbar, I don't mind having a civil discourse with someone. But each of your posts has been insulting. If you can't have a discussion like an adult, I'm not going to engage you further. Have a nice day.

[Tbar]

Tbar, I don't mind having a civil discourse with someone. But each of your posts has been insulting. If you can't have a discussion like an adult, I'm not going to engage you further. Have a nice day.

Your posts come across as insulting, sensationalism, fear mongering and largely unrepresented. To say you might be outside your lane is an understatement.

[jagermiester]

Do you guys think wolves are actually a threat to kids waiting at a bus stop? Serious question, not just being a jerk.

It was a legit problem in NM when I was there. I saw the cages and wondered what they were.   Brought it up with a warden that visited our camp.  He explained the reports and fears etc.   it was eye opening.


We have grown men here afraid of their shadow that won’t go in the woods without more heat than Rambo.   Put a 9 year old out there by themsemselves or with their 10 year old brother.   It’s a legit concern.   

Good point Bone!!

Just review the threads about the members who are asking what they need to carry just in case.
The other point is that when most of the older folks on here caught the bus. The bears and the cats where shot at enough they had a healthy fear of humans.
Unfortunately wolves have not been taught that respect.

This is the problem in a nutshell.

We should not fear wolves going after children at a bus stop in the middle of town. Wolves are highly intelligent and they should be shot on site when they are in town. This is how you teach them to respect us and our brains and our thumbs.

[idahohuntr]

Do you guys think wolves are actually a threat to kids waiting at a bus stop? Serious question, not just being a jerk.

It was a legit problem in NM when I was there. I saw the cages and wondered what they were.   Brought it up with a warden that visited our camp.  He explained the reports and fears etc.   it was eye opening.


We have grown men here afraid of their shadow that won’t go in the woods without more heat than Rambo.   Put a 9 year old out there by themsemselves or with their 10 year old brother.   It’s a legit concern.   

Good point Bone!!

Just review the threads about the members who are asking what they need to carry just in case.
The other point is that when most of the older folks on here caught the bus. The bears and the cats where shot at enough they had a healthy fear of humans.
Unfortunately wolves have not been taught that respect.

This is the problem in a nutshell.

We should not fear wolves going after children at a bus stop in the middle of town. Wolves are highly intelligent and they should be shot on site when they are in town. This is how you teach them to respect us and our brains and our thumbs.

Fear is an emotion - it's not necessarily fact based or born out of a careful analysis of facts.

[Special T]

I'm 90% sure that a member of the forum submitted for wolf info based on the FOIA act a long time ago and got info. Don't hold me to that. I haven't talked to the guy in a long time and he doesn't participate on the forum anymore.

That was I.

You attempted to attend a WAG meeting that ended up being a closed meeting once... I remember reading on here that all discussion with the mediator couldnt be talked about with those outside the group. Since it is the biggest hot potato... I will continue to look for it because i know its here some where.

[Whitpirate]

the woods are not as "safe" as when I was a kid, I hiked all over but there were guys running hounds all over, cats and other predators had a very healthy fear of people.


Not so much, generations of predators haven't learned that fear, the fear they learn as a small cub, pup or kit from their mothers.  Each new generation of litters loosing a little bit more fear.

 

[pianoman9701]

Yeah, I was in Pullman at the time and the meeting was in Spokane. Originally it was supposed to be open and then they closed it up. It was the 1st meeting with the new whatever-she's-called, moderator-type gal. At least one of the representatives of the cattlemen had just left the WAG because he wasn't getting equal time or given much of a chance to voice his side of the results of the wolf plan.

[Special T]

Yeah, I was in Pullman at the time and the meeting was in Spokane. Originally it was supposed to be open and then they closed it up. It was the 1st meeting with the new whatever-she's-called, moderator-type gal. At least one of the representatives of the cattlemen had just left the WAG because he wasn't getting equal time or given much of a chance to voice his side of the results of the wolf plan.

And i Would bet that this open door/ information policy changed some point shortly after that. 

[hunter399]

Of coarse it went to closed door meeting with new modarater, they don't want you to see what kind of a joke tax payers are paying her for.Much of nothing I suspect.

[jackelope]

I'm 90% sure that a member of the forum submitted for wolf info based on the FOIA act a long time ago and got info. Don't hold me to that. I haven't talked to the guy in a long time and he doesn't participate on the forum anymore.

That was I.

@pianoman9701
Actually it wasn't you I was talking about.

[jackelope]

Yeah, I was in Pullman at the time and the meeting was in Spokane. Originally it was supposed to be open and then they closed it up. It was the 1st meeting with the new whatever-she's-called, moderator-type gal. At least one of the representatives of the cattlemen had just left the WAG because he wasn't getting equal time or given much of a chance to voice his side of the results of the wolf plan.

And i Would bet that this open door/ information policy changed some point shortly after that. 

The screenshots I posted yesterday I pulled off of the website yesterday. So that information regarding public info/FOIA/etc is current.
Maybe they just need to update the website.

[jackelope]

The next wolf advisory group meeting is 2/12-2/13 in Olmypia.
There's no agenda yet, but it is open to the public.
 
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/wag/agenda_021219a_WAG.pdf
Washington Wolf Advisory Group (WAG) Meeting February 12-13, 2019 The Meetinghouse at Priest Point 3201 Boston Harbor Road NE Olympia, WA 98506 Pre-agenda The full agenda for this meeting will be posted in the near future. Until that point, this notice is to inform you that the WAG meeting/work session will be open to the public to observe and will follow the same format used in the past, including public comment opportunities at the end of each day.There will also be an open-house style public comment period prior to the WAG meeting on the first day. This period is open to all members of the public and will be attended by WDFW staff members.

Not sure what kind of gag order they can put on a public meeting.

Here is the WAG roster. Anyone know anybody on this list? Can we find out if there actually is some sort of "don't talk" order to members?

[Bango skank]

Wolf meetings that are open to the public should be held in areas where the public is most effected by wolves, not in olympia.

[jackelope]

Wolf meetings that are open to the public should be held in areas where the public is most effected by wolves, not in olympia.

Most are in Spokane and Ellensburg. I think 3 of them were in Olympia.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/wag/

[Dick in the Dirt]

Andy Hoover Okanogan Co. Commissioner is listed as a hunter. He's a fence rider.