Conservation NW and BHA

[hunter399]

They are a back stabing homeless bum that would shank ya for bag of taco bell then throw ya under the next city bus.

[ribka]

CNW teaming up with anti hunting organization human society to shut down mountain lion season

https://www.conservationnw.org/of-cougars-science-and-public-trust/

Maybe you can spin this too

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

[KFhunter]

So your argument is that BHA is a money laundering organization, turning radical environmental terrorist money into good clean money for hunters 


That's a good one!!

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, intentionally obtuse or antagonistic  but being awarded a grant is not the same as money laundering. if a organization that does veteran rehab/therpy by taking them hunting or fishing wins a grant from a pubic health non-profit, it doesn't mean they "laundered the money into a radical militant group" it means the veteran group wrote a proposal that the grant issuing body believes falls within the purview of the applications and awards.


I am doing my level best to engage in this as a conversation in a good faith outreach with someone/peoplre who obviously hold a different perspective than me. I'm not trying to do anything other than answer the question (in my perception) as it was originally posed.

I'm sorry, did you read the last thread discussing BHA's funding and being labeled as a green decoy?
I was assuming you had, if not here's some reading to see what I'm referring too
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,235660.0.html

the fact is most of BHA's funding is from radical environmental groups, not grants.

[idahohuntr]

CNW supported legislation to shut down hunting seasons in Washington. I guess that is why I think they’re anti hunting but maybe not as smart as you to decipher the nuances lol

What about Mitch Friedman is a self admitted eco terrorist who destroyed personal property and spiked trees on Public land, our trees, that injured innocent loggers just engaged in
Lawful employment trying to feed their families.

How Are all the wolves pushed by CNW benefiting highly endangered mountain caribou herd in N Idaho. I believe they were wiped out. So
Much for the eco terrorist concern for endangered wildlife.

I can’t stop laughing at the excuses made for the scam group CNW. 

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

I'm not following - I'm talking about BHA...not CNW.  You are saying because two separate groups both oppose a piece of legislation they are aligned in all other ways?  BHA is not anti hunting...so thats an absurd argument.  I don't even care if one of their volunteers works for CNW.  Show me where BHA is doing things to undermine hunting and promote anti hunting initiatives...please hurry...I think its important we alert Kimber, Weatherby, Cooper Firearms, Federal Premium ammo, and many other big hunting and firearms businesses that they've all been duped! 

[grundy53]

A high ranking BHA member in Colorado chapter helped get spring bear season shut down


I’m not too bright but maybe someone can explain to me that BHA suports legal ethical hunting.

Love to hear the twisted logic.

He's actually the chair/founder of the Colorado chapter and now he's fighting Colorado's state bow association

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[grundy53]

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

You are judged by the company you keep. BHA is pro hunting as long as you do it their way...

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[SWHUNTER]

Does BHA views on Grizzly reintroduction in the North Cascades align with CNW's view?

[grundy53]

Does BHA views on Grizzly reintroduction in the North Cascades align with CNW's view?

Or ask their views on hunting Grizzlies. Since they are such good pals with Patagonia. Patagonia is one of the groups that sued to stop Wyoming and Idaho from having grizzly hunts.

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[grundy53]

CNW supported legislation to shut down hunting seasons in Washington. I guess that is why I think they’re anti hunting but maybe not as smart as you to decipher the nuances lol

What about Mitch Friedman is a self admitted eco terrorist who destroyed personal property and spiked trees on Public land, our trees, that injured innocent loggers just engaged in
Lawful employment trying to feed their families.

How Are all the wolves pushed by CNW benefiting highly endangered mountain caribou herd in N Idaho. I believe they were wiped out. So
Much for the eco terrorist concern for endangered wildlife.

I can’t stop laughing at the excuses made for the scam group CNW. 

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

I'm not following - I'm talking about BHA...not CNW.  You are saying because two separate groups both oppose a piece of legislation they are aligned in all other ways?  BHA is not anti hunting...so thats an absurd argument.  I don't even care if one of their volunteers works for CNW.  Show me where BHA is doing things to undermine hunting and promote anti hunting initiatives...please hurry...I think its important we alert Kimber, Weatherby, Cooper Firearms, Federal Premium ammo, and many other big hunting and firearms businesses that they've all been duped! 

And Patagonia?

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[mfswallace]

 

BHA
Reveals Their Radical Side
Posted by Macon Richardson 1321sc on May 20, 2016
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Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (BHA), a deceptively named environmentalist group, has exposed its true, radical intentions by proposing extreme restrictions for anglers, boaters, and others in Montana.

The proposal, called the “Quiet Waters Initiative,” seeks to restrict motorized watercraft on over 50 Montana waterways. An article in the Independent Record states:

“BHA presents recommendations to drastically restrict waterways without demonstrating any necessity to protect public health, public safety, public welfare, or to protect property and public resources,” [Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks] FWP says in agenda materials.

"The initiative claims safety concerns, yet Montana already has laws against operating a vessel in a reckless or negligent manner, and the initiative’s name implies it is primarily focused on eliminating the noise engines produce, the agency [FWP] says."

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is identified as a “green decoy” group because of its deceptive title. Its name appears to be friendly to hunters, sportsmen and firearms enthusiasts, but behind the outdoorsy name is a group funded by leftist foundations and environmentalists, with goals very different than those supported by true hunters, anglers and sportsmen. The research website, “Activist Facts,” points out:

“BHA represents itself as good-ole-boy outdoorsmen who simply want to hunt and fish and be left alone. But don’t be fooled. As evidenced by both its sources of funding and current leadership, BHA is nothing more than a big green activist organization pushing a radical environmentalist agenda.”

Activist Facts identifies BHA’s largest funding sources as the Western Conservation Foundation (WCF), which in 2011 and 2012 donated $278,423 to BHA. WCF has given to other known far-left radical groups including Earth Justice and the Tides Foundation. BHA also receives donations from the Wilburforce Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts, and several other foundations known for their extremist ideological leanings.

Land Tawny, the director of BHA, is also a leftist operative who ran the liberal political action committee (PAC) with an equally-deceptive name, “Montana Hunters and Anglers Leadership Fund (MHA),” which, according to Activist Facts: “

…spent $1.1 million against Republican U.S. Senate candidate Danny Rehberg, who was challenging Democratic U.S. Sen. Jon Tester. [Land Tawny’s PAC] also spent $500,000 in support of the libertarian candidate as a strategy of drawing votes away from the Republican. MHA received several hundred thousand dollars from the League of Conservation Voters, a liberal environmentalist group.”

Given the radical environmentalist roots and affiliations of BHA, it’s not surprising that they lobby hard against local government in favor of continued federal control of public lands, water, and resources. In its attempt to deceive and frighten Americans into embracing federal control of public lands, BHA spreads false narratives such as:

State and local control of public lands will limit access for hunters and sportsmen
Public lands transfer will result in sell-off and privatization of public lands
Not only are these talking points untrue, they’re nearly opposite of the truth. The facts show that the federal government regularly auctions off public lands, and restrictions to public lands are enacted regularly by federal agencies.

By proposing extreme restrictions on boating, fishing, and other outdoor activities on Montana’s rivers, lakes and streams, Backcountry Hunters & Anglers has ironically revealed its radical identity. This green decoy’s true goals are increased restrictions, decreased access, and decreased freedom for everyone on America’s public lands.

[dwils233]

So your argument is that BHA is a money laundering organization, turning radical environmental terrorist money into good clean money for hunters 


That's a good one!!

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, intentionally obtuse or antagonistic  but being awarded a grant is not the same as money laundering. if a organization that does veteran rehab/therpy by taking them hunting or fishing wins a grant from a pubic health non-profit, it doesn't mean they "laundered the money into a radical militant group" it means the veteran group wrote a proposal that the grant issuing body believes falls within the purview of the applications and awards.


I am doing my level best to engage in this as a conversation in a good faith outreach with someone/peoplre who obviously hold a different perspective than me. I'm not trying to do anything other than answer the question (in my perception) as it was originally posed.

I'm sorry, did you read the last thread discussing BHA's funding and being labeled as a green decoy?
I was assuming you had, if not here's some reading to see what I'm referring too
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,235660.0.html

the fact is most of BHA's funding is from radical environmental groups, not grants.

links not working for me, but if its the one I remember I did comment on that one as well- with the exact same points I raised earlier in this thread.
Either BHA has conned major players like DJT jr, Rinella and Newberg, as well as hugely successful firearm and hunting companies OR those companies and people really really bad at protecting their business interests OR they are part of BHA's conspiracy to destroy hunting.
and as far the they tax reporting for BHA goes, their primary funding is from one line item "contributions/grants" most of the time funds/trusts, non-profits don't do blank contributions they give out money through grant cycles/requests. My point with that has always been if some radical environmental group is going to give away money towards a environmental/conservation program BHA is no matter what a better option than HSUS or greenpeace. and I totally understand that other people view this as a more black and white situation than I do......but if we start talking about never taking money from an organization that might also give money to org we don't like....we're going to start losing faster and harder than ever- because than greenpeace/hsus gets all the money and we lose a seat at the table that we worked really hard to earn as a valid voice in preserving our wildlife and lands in a room full of people/orgs who already are apprehensive of us

[mfswallace]

Meet today’s young hunters & anglers
BY ROCKY BARKER

APRIL 16, 2018 07:15 PM,

UPDATED APRIL 18, 2018 05:22 PM

 Bob Anderson, of Meridian, looks on as Clay Hayes, a bowmaker at Twisted Stave, takes aim at a target on April 15, 2018. The Backcountry Hunters & Anglers rendezvous wrapped up at the archery range at Boise’s Military Reserve after a weekend of seminars and events dedicated to outdoor recreation and public land use.
Bob Anderson, of Meridian, looks on as Clay Hayes, a bowmaker at Twisted Stave, takes aim at a target on April 15, 2018. The Backcountry Hunters & Anglers rendezvous wrapped up at the archery range at Boise’s Military Reserve after a weekend of seminars and events dedicated to outdoor recreation and public land use. NICOLE BLANCHARD NBLANCHARD@IDAHOSTATESMAN.COM
They are fit, young and diverse. They are obsessed with hunting and fishing. And they’re doing everything they can to protect public lands, access to rivers and wildlife habitat.

Membership in Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, the organization that held its annual rendezvous in Boise this weekend, is growing — fighting the trend of fewer hunters nationwide.

BHA began around a campfire in Oregon in 2004. It had fewer than 2,000 members five years ago. That’s become 20,000 members today, in 41 chapters across 39 states and two Canadian provinces — and the group expects to hit 30,000 by the end of this year.

More than 1,300 people came to Boise on Saturday, wearing T-shirts that said “Public Land Owner” and “Hunt to Eat,” to participate in seminars about wolves, fish handling and calling bugling elk. More than 3,000 Boiseans joined them at their “Beers, Bands and Public Lands” event Friday at the Centre on the Grove — including Boise Mayor Dave Bieter and gubernatorial candidates A.J. Balukoff, a Democrat, and Lt. Gov. Brad Little, a Republican.

The group’s success appears the latest example of a revolution in public lands advocacy, through which a new generation of outdoor recreationists have turned their hobbies into an effective political voice. Their inspirations include Yvon Chouinard, the climber, environmentalist and owner of Patagonia, who is fighting the Trump administration over monuments and spoke at the rendezvous about public river access.

“I was stunned. I had no idea they would have that kind of a crowd,” Bieter said. “I also was surprised by the demographics.”

THE PEOPLE OF BACKCOUNTRY HUNTERS AND ANGLERS
Most people in attendance this weekend were in their 20s and 30s, including men and women with children. That’s in contrast to the older crowd of about 200 who participated in Saturday’s Second Amendment rally at the Capitol.

The number of people who hunt has steadily declined since 1980, affecting funding for fish and wildlife management agencies in the process. A 2017 U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service study found the number of American hunters had dropped by 2 million since 2011, to a total of 10.5 million people.

But that research determined 101 million people over 16 — 40 percent of the U.S. population — participate in wildlife activities as a whole, including angling and wildlife watching.

BHA appeals to hunters, anglers, hikers and others who care about wild places, rivers and public lands. It could help shift the trend, both in national interest and in public-agency wildlife funding.

“Last night I talked to Trump supporters and Trump haters,” said J.D. Miller, of Boise, treasurer of the group’s Idaho chapter. “We’re all here because we love public land.”

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Clint Engebretsen of Granite Falls, Montana, checks out the feel of a Kimber rifle as Rod Cleveland of the Montana manufacturer looks on, April 14, 2018 at the Centre on the Grove in Boise.
Rocky Barker rbarker@idahostatesman.com
That politics has fueled the organization’s growth — in particular, the effort by Western states to force the federal government to transfer or sell public lands, such as national forests and rangeland. Backcountry Hunters and Anglers received attention in 2016 when it was revealed that Donald Trump Jr., a life member, persuaded his father to change his choice for Interior secretary to Montana’s Ryan Zinke.

The group came into its own in early 2017, when Utah Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz reintroduced a bill ordering the Interior secretary to sell or dispose of more than 3.3 million acres of public land.

Angry hunters, anglers and other outdoor enthusiasts flooded Chaffetz’s office and Instagram account with protests in response to alerts by BHA and other advocacy organizations.

The earlier support for Zinke was based on his record as a state legislator and his opposition to public land transfer. “He was the pick of the litter,” said Land Tawney, a 43-year-old native Montanan who serves as the group’s president and CEO. “He was the best choice from what we had in front of us.”

But soon, Zinke espoused a policy of energy domination and balancing the budget at Interior. He reversed a collaborative compromise on sage grouse and began a White House-ordered review of reducing national monuments using the Antiquities Act, a law first used by Backcountry Hunters and Anglers hero Theodore Roosevelt.

The group issued alerts and began an ad campaign in Montana, generating thousands of comments into Zinke’s office. Its efforts were for naught, as President Donald Trump signed an order shrinking the Bears Ears and Staircase-Escalante national monuments in Utah.

“It was the largest rollback of conservation in this country’s history,” Tawney said.

In late 2016, then-President Obama designated a 1.35 million acre swath of forest and red rock canyons in southeast Utah as the Bears Ears National Monument. According to a White House statement, the monument was established “to protect some of our country’s most important cultural treasures, including abundant rock art, archeological sites, and lands considered sacred by Native American tribes.” It was a victory for local tribes and conservationists, but some Utah residents are wary of what they see as government overreach and are encouraging their state officials call on the Trump administration to rescind the monument status.

However, Zinke has improved policies supporting greater access to public lands and to protect wildlife corridors, Tawney said. They are closely watching how Zinke decides on a proposal to reverse a ban on copper-nickel mining next to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area wilderness in Minnesota, where the group has more than 700 members. They hope the ban stands.

“If that happens, we’re going to applaud the heck out of him,” Tawney said. “That’s what’s different about BHA, we call them as we see them.”

THE FUTURE OF FISH AND WILDLIFE?
At Saturday’s trade show, rendezvous participants sighted rifles and tried out fly rods. They bought clothes from companies like First Lite of Sun Valley, which makes hunting clothing, and Patagonia, which makes gear for everyone from climbers, surfers and hikers to fly anglers.

A new U.S. Department of Commerce report released in February found that outdoor recreation contributed $373.7 billion to the nation’s gross domestic product in 2016, or 2 percent of GDP. The industry’s contribution was larger than that of all mining activities, including the extraction of oil and gas, the federal government reported.

Heather Kusmierz, 36, came from South Kingstown, Rhode Island, to be at the rendezvous and learn how she can make a difference. She left the finance industry to travel the world before coming home to teach computer science. She wanted to take up archery and only could find lessons through a local bowhunters group. She soon expanded her vision to hunting.

“I wanted to produce food from my archery,” she said.

Patagonia’s Chouinard, 79, said recreationists need to stand united to counter industries that want to control public land.

He’s acted on that talk — spearheading the recent move of Outdoor Retailer, the industry’s largest trade show, from Salt Lake City to Denver because of Utah politicians’ support for shrinking national monuments and transferring public land to the states. And in BHA, he sees the wide swath of the outdoor recreation community needed for political success.

“They say that hunters and tree-huggers can’t get together,” Chouinard said. “That’s bulls---. … The only way we’re going to get anything done is to work together.”

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A crowd of 5,000 turned out for the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Rendezvous event, "Beers, Bands and Public Lands," Friday at the Boise Centre on the Grove.
Photo courtesy Backcountry Hunters and Anglers

[jackelope]

Do we abort the Mule Deer Foundation because CNW partners with them too?

[grundy53]

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

I don't think the local chapters or members are anti hunting. It's the national leadership that is suspect especially Land Tawney. But I don't think even they are anti hunting really. They just don't want humans to interfere with the wild. They are often more aligned with eco groups than they are with hunting groups. Your example of the mountain lion hunt with the chair of Washington chapter is actually a good example. He's a member on here and often joins in on contentious topics. When he does he's usually on the side that is the least popular to the majority on here.

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[grundy53]

Do we abort the Mule Deer Foundation because CNW partners with them too?

Are they going to have the owner of Patagonia come speak at their annual meeting?

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