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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2019, 04:09:24 PM »
If a road is technically open, but blocked by snow, is there any reason you cannot take an ATV down that road?

Also, do you need a "street legal" ATV to go down a FS road that is blocked by snow?

You don’t need to be street legal to go down any forest service roads regardless of snow. That’s Idaho but forest service in Washington should be the same?

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2019, 04:18:32 PM »
If a road is technically open, but blocked by snow, is there any reason you cannot take an ATV down that road?

Also, do you need a "street legal" ATV to go down a FS road that is blocked by snow?

You don’t need to be street legal to go down any forest service roads regardless of snow. That’s Idaho but forest service in Washington should be the same?

You would think, but no, Washington is not the same as Idaho. The majority of the roads in National Forest lands are not open to ATV's.

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2019, 04:20:13 PM »
In Idaho you can take wheeled vehicles on most roads except state highways and groomed snowmobile trails.

In Washington's Colville Forest you can only take ORV's on small designated segments of road. It's very restricted, I've heard other forests are as well. State lands and open private forest lands are ORV friendly. Some counties have opened county roads to ORV use.
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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2019, 04:39:15 PM »
They have off road and on road ATV tabs now

***I think*** I can ride an on road ATV that's got mirrors,horn, turn signals, brake light  and been inspected and has the on road tabs.  Good for any road 35 mph and under?

I need to really dig into that,  I was going to get a motorcycle with regular plates I can ride on a highway and use that.  I've got all the stuff to convert my grizz, just need to get it installed and inspected and get those on road tabs.

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2019, 04:43:28 PM »
I was wondering what would happen if I brought one of my licensed ORV's to Washington and road on Colville Forest?  @bigtex
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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2019, 04:52:19 PM »
I was wondering what would happen if I brought one of my licensed ORV's to Washington and road on Colville Forest?  @bigtex


Licensed in Idaho yes?  just for clarification.


https://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/watv.html

WATV Registration Exemption for Nonresidents
Note: Idaho is the only state currently meeting the requirements of this section.

On-road: To be eligible for a nonresident exemption from registration of an on-road wheeled all-terrain vehicle, all of the following must apply:

The vehicle must meet the definition of WATV in RCW 46.09.310(19).
The vehicle must have a valid registration and metal tag from another state for on-road use.
A similar exemption must be granted in the other state for WATVs from Washington (reciprocity).
The other state's requirements for on-road use must be equal to or exceed Washington's requirements (RCW 46.09.457).



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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2019, 05:00:40 PM »
found my answer

on road atv vs off road atv...doesn't matter  :'(


https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/colville/landmanagement/resourcemanagement/?cid=fsbdev3_035243

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The Motor Vehicle Use Map shows National Forest System roads, trails, and areas that are designated as open to motor vehicle travel.  These roads, trails and areas are designated by type of motor vehicle allowed and the allowable season of use.

For example, on National Forest System Roads that allow motor vehicle use, the two primary designations are Roads Open to Highway Legal Vehicles Only and Roads Open to All Vehicles.

Some examples of the vehicle types that are highway legal are: passenger cars, pickup trucks, SUVs and motorcycles that by state law are licensed for general operation on all public roads within the state.

Some examples of vehicles that are not highway legal include: ATVs, UTVs (side by sides), off road motorcycles, golf carts and any other motor vehicle that by state law is not licensed for general operation on all public roads in the state.

A road that is designated as open to all motor vehicles allows any motor vehicle both licensed and unlicensed for general operation on all public roads in the state which would include all Off Highway Vehicles.

Refer to the appropriate Motor Vehicle Use Map to determine the allowed motor vehicle use for a specific National Forest System road, trail or area.  These free maps are available at any of the offices listed below or on-line by clicking on the following links.

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Washington State Law defines a Wheeled All-Terrain Vehicle (WATV) as any motorized non-highway vehicle that meets the requirements to be licensed with a metal tag.  WATVs are not considered highway-legal vehicles by Federal standards; therefore, they cannot be operated on roads designated as open to highway legal vehicles only.
Counties have rules, regulations, and restrictions for motor vehicle use (including OHVs) of County roads.  Please contact the appropriate County for more information.

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2019, 08:11:01 PM »
If a road is technically open, but blocked by snow, is there any reason you cannot take an ATV down that road?

Also, do you need a "street legal" ATV to go down a FS road that is blocked by snow?

You don’t need to be street legal to go down any forest service roads regardless of snow. That’s Idaho but forest service in Washington should be the same?

You would think, but no, Washington is not the same as Idaho. The majority of the roads in National Forest lands are not open to ATV's.

Wow that sucks.

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2019, 08:20:25 PM »
I don't think my buddy and I will be putting out baits this spring unless it really warms up the last half of March and first part of April.

Hopefully the spring stays cool or summer may turn out to be interesting.

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2019, 03:18:40 PM »
found my answer

on road atv vs off road atv...doesn't matter  :'(


https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/colville/landmanagement/resourcemanagement/?cid=fsbdev3_035243

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The Motor Vehicle Use Map shows National Forest System roads, trails, and areas that are designated as open to motor vehicle travel.  These roads, trails and areas are designated by type of motor vehicle allowed and the allowable season of use.

For example, on National Forest System Roads that allow motor vehicle use, the two primary designations are Roads Open to Highway Legal Vehicles Only and Roads Open to All Vehicles.

Some examples of the vehicle types that are highway legal are: passenger cars, pickup trucks, SUVs and motorcycles that by state law are licensed for general operation on all public roads within the state.

Some examples of vehicles that are not highway legal include: ATVs, UTVs (side by sides), off road motorcycles, golf carts and any other motor vehicle that by state law is not licensed for general operation on all public roads in the state.

A road that is designated as open to all motor vehicles allows any motor vehicle both licensed and unlicensed for general operation on all public roads in the state which would include all Off Highway Vehicles.

Refer to the appropriate Motor Vehicle Use Map to determine the allowed motor vehicle use for a specific National Forest System road, trail or area.  These free maps are available at any of the offices listed below or on-line by clicking on the following links.

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Washington State Law defines a Wheeled All-Terrain Vehicle (WATV) as any motorized non-highway vehicle that meets the requirements to be licensed with a metal tag.  WATVs are not considered highway-legal vehicles by Federal standards; therefore, they cannot be operated on roads designated as open to highway legal vehicles only.
Counties have rules, regulations, and restrictions for motor vehicle use (including OHVs) of County roads.  Please contact the appropriate County for more information.

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2019, 03:56:57 PM »
I got a motorcycle today,  wanted a new Grizz but USFS sucks with their ATV/UTV rules  :bash:

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2019, 04:46:19 PM »
I got a motorcycle today,  wanted a new Grizz but USFS sucks with their ATV/UTV rules  :bash:

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2019, 05:24:51 PM »
did the paperwork but haven't taken delivery yet

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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2019, 05:53:56 PM »
A good street legal enduro is probably a good route if you are hunting national forest in WA.
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Re: Spring Bear and Snow
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2019, 02:13:56 PM »
Looking at how much snow is on the hills this year I was wondering what your experiences have been with snow pack and spring bear season?

I've only hunted the west side spring bear permits and have found that with a deep snow pack many areas are inaccessible to vehicles until the last week or 2 of season and that bears seem to stay put a little longer than years with little snow pack.

I wanted to share a tool I came across while comparing snow pack in the winter for bird migration, but think can be applied for the spring hunts. NOAA has a site that displays snow pack accumulation through satellite imagery, if you are curious about snow pack it gives some good data.

Here is an overview of the Sherman region. (I hope it goes through)
https://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/interactive/html/map.html?ql=obs_overlay&zoom=&loc=48.843+N%2C+117.961+W&var=ssm_swe&dy=2019&dm=4&dd=1&dh=22&snap=1&o5=1&o9=1&o12=1&o13=1&lbl=m&o7=1&mode=query&extents=us&min_x=-118.9&min_y=48.524999999996&max_x=-117.95833333333&max_y=49.058333333329&coord_x=-118.429166666665&coord_y=48.7916666666625&zbox_n=&zbox_s=&zbox_e=&zbox_w=&metric=0&bgvar=dem&shdvar=shading&width=800&height=450&nw=800&nh=450&h_o=0&font=0&js=1&uc=0

Then if you click on the little square boxes, you can get to station read outs.

https://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/interactive/html/graph.html?units=0&region=us&station=BWSW1&ey=2019&em=4&ed=4&eh=22

I think for us folks coming from out of town can help decide where to go based on current conditions.



 


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