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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #195 on: April 10, 2019, 08:34:54 AM »
wouldn't it be great if "in common with the citizens" meant under the same regulations, kind of like it means everyone has the same speed limit they have to follow?
”In common with” is part of the treaty that should be challenged in court by good expensive lawyers.  There is nothing in common with how the tribes operate and non tribal members.
But our corrupt state will not.  :twocents:
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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #196 on: April 10, 2019, 08:35:22 AM »
Isn't WY challenging "Open and Unclaimed Land" as it applies to NF?

Also, a conservation group could sue the state for not managing the wildlife by not ensuring compliance with the treaty - very similar to the lawsuit over chinook and orcas.  The animals are owned by the citizens of the state and there is clear harm if they are not doing their job and there is abuse from tribal hunters.

Of course, we don't know there is abuse or not, mostly because there is no monitoring or auditing.  The Yakima tribe could be letting a few guys take all the elk which could be in compliance with the treaty, or the tribe could be taking more than they are legally allowed.  We can guess, but nobody but the tribe knows (and they may not know if they don't regulate and monitor).

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #197 on: April 10, 2019, 08:38:00 AM »
I would think ROCKY MOUNTAIN ELK FOUNDATION would be big enough and with good enough lawyers to take this on against the state and tribal.The state for not protecting said game in the first place.  :twocents:
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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #198 on: April 10, 2019, 08:49:37 AM »
We should sell any non-tribal land that is elk-habitat to the RMEF which would then make it "claimed land" off-limits to the tribe.   

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #199 on: April 10, 2019, 09:52:34 AM »
We should sell any non-tribal land that is elk-habitat to the RMEF which would then make it "claimed land" off-limits to the tribe.
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“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #200 on: April 10, 2019, 09:54:20 AM »
wouldn't it be great if "in common with the citizens" meant under the same regulations, kind of like it means everyone has the same speed limit they have to follow?
”In common with” is part of the treaty that should be challenged in court by good expensive lawyers.  There is nothing in common with how the tribes operate and non tribal members.
But our corrupt state will not.  :twocents:
You sure about that?

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #201 on: April 10, 2019, 12:27:35 PM »
Do you think their not?
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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #202 on: April 10, 2019, 12:37:04 PM »
it's a federal ruling, so WA politics doesn't affect it.  I imagine anyone with cause could ask for an appeal, but I'm not a lawyer.  Maybe a national organization with hunting and fishing rights preservation as a focus and that has a lot of money.  Is there such a thing?

One thing for sure, this is the administration and court most likely to support a challenge.  Where's Don Jr. when hunters need him?

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #203 on: April 11, 2019, 10:58:06 AM »
On page 12, if this hasn't already been posted. 1000 elk below objective but cows are near objective. That's alot of bulls missing...

"Population surveys for the Yakima elk herd were completed recently and indicate
that the population remains at levels similar to those observed in 2017 and is ~1,000 elk
below objective. However, the number of cows in the population is near objective."


https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/commission/meetings/2019/04/apr04_13_summary.pdf

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #204 on: April 11, 2019, 12:38:56 PM »
On page 12, if this hasn't already been posted. 1000 elk below objective but cows are near objective. That's alot of bulls missing...
"Population surveys for the Yakima elk herd were completed recently and indicate
that the population remains at levels similar to those observed in 2017 and is ~1,000 elk
below objective. However, the number of cows in the population is near objective."

https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/commission/meetings/2019/04/apr04_13_summary.pdf

10 archery peaches elk tags?!!  :yike:

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #205 on: April 11, 2019, 12:43:38 PM »
WOW, those herds used to be amazing. I don’t know what to say.??

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #206 on: April 11, 2019, 12:48:25 PM »
I would think ROCKY MOUNTAIN ELK FOUNDATION would be big enough and with good enough lawyers to take this on against the state and tribal.The state for not protecting said game in the first place.  :twocents:

Where would they host their banquets? :rolleyes:

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #207 on: April 11, 2019, 12:58:20 PM »
I would think ROCKY MOUNTAIN ELK FOUNDATION would be big enough and with good enough lawyers to take this on against the state and tribal.The state for not protecting said game in the first place.  :twocents:

Where would they host their banquets? :rolleyes:

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #208 on: April 11, 2019, 01:08:12 PM »
10 archery elk tags for peaches yet some mother gets to kill as many bulls as he wants to make jerky to sell.  These numbers are such BS, unfricken real.
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Permit quotas
« Reply #209 on: April 11, 2019, 01:16:14 PM »
I would think ROCKY MOUNTAIN ELK FOUNDATION would be big enough and with good enough lawyers to take this on against the state and tribal.The state for not protecting said game in the first place.  :twocents:

Where would they host their banquets? :rolleyes:
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