IDF&G enters agreement to provide access to private timberlands

[Humptulips]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/may/24/public-granted-access-to-private-idaho-timberlands/

[Tbar]

That's awesome!

[Bullkllr]

“These agreements demonstrate Fish and Game’s continued commitment to putting money from the access/depredation fee to good use and provide hunters, anglers and trappers with access to private lands while compensating landowners for their support of those activities,” said Sal Palazzolo, F&G’s Private Lands/ Farm Bill Program Coordinator.

Wow. Good on Idaho.

I'm not sure, but I think ours all went to the wolf/mediation expert.

[JBar]

 

[bigdub257]

 

[bornhunter]

 Could it happen here?

[Humptulips]

Could it happen here?

[Alan K]

Right on!

I could see it opening up some walk in access here in Washington, but not motorized. Too much garbage dumping and vandalism by the minority. That or the charge would have to be much greater per acre to offset the added cleanup/risk.

When we're over there for whitetails it always amazes me how little garbage there is. Virtually none. Idaho's litter signs read 'Idaho is too great to litter'. Washingtons are a threat of fines. Idaho just has better quality people over there than we have here.

[fireweed]

$1 acre is top dollar, even for Washington.   The obvious stick (and leverage to get a similar deal) with big timber is that these companies are already being subsidized with tax breaks for providing public benefits.  If someone really pushed on that tax break angle, walk-in should already be free.  But nobody in the legislature seems to have the guts to challenge the tax break...so a few million dollars per year investment coupled with opening up select roads could work well. 

Another item to convince big timber to take a similar amount of money, is the fact that their "permit required for all entry" signs on gates are a huge bluff.  I have discovered that nearly all older mainline logging roads (in SW Wa) that somewhere hit state land have state easements on them. They really can't stop people from using those roads to get to state land anyway.   These old easements say nothing about "administrative use only" or "forestry use only".  They are simply easements for ingress/egress to state land.  Take the control of these roads and the public land they access away, and big timber has less monopoly power, and their price for access goes down. 

[CLARKTAR]

$1 acre is top dollar, even for Washington.   The obvious stick (and leverage to get a similar deal) with big timber is that these companies are already being subsidized with tax breaks for providing public benefits.  If someone really pushed on that tax break angle, walk-in should already be free.  But nobody in the legislature seems to have the guts to challenge the tax break...so a few million dollars per year investment coupled with opening up select roads could work well. 

Another item to convince big timber to take a similar amount of money, is the fact that their "permit required for all entry" signs on gates are a huge bluff.  I have discovered that nearly all older mainline logging roads (in SW Wa) that somewhere hit state land have state easements on them. They really can't stop people from using those roads to get to state land anyway.   These old easements say nothing about "administrative use only" or "forestry use only".  They are simply easements for ingress/egress to state land.  Take the control of these roads and the public land they access away, and big timber has less monopoly power, and their price for access goes down.

Where can you find these recorded easements?

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[idaho guy]

 :tup:that’s great but we were already to hunt Much of that Timber ground mentioned for free in Idaho  at the very least this will keep it free access so that’s great

[fireweed]

Where can you find these recorded easements?

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This link from a previous discussion has specifics on how to search for these easements. 
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,232655.msg3141240.html#msg3141240

[Whitpirate]

Right on!

I could see it opening up some walk in access here in Washington, but not motorized. Too much garbage dumping and vandalism by the minority. That or the charge would have to be much greater per acre to offset the added cleanup/risk.

When we're over there for whitetails it always amazes me how little garbage there is. Virtually none. Idaho's litter signs read 'Idaho is too great to litter'. Washingtons are a threat of fines. Idaho just has better quality people over there than we have here.

Idaho has a huge commitment to trash dumpsters available for the public all over the place.... and they tip them.  Saves on the clean-up and tip fee anyway.  I wish Washington would give in and just make dumpsters available and then really crack down on slobs that litter the public spaces.

[bearpaw]

Awesome move by Idaho F&G! 

[KFhunter]

heck ya, I always thought dumps should be "free" and dumpsters put in everywhere for public use.  Stupid to encourage woods trash dumping!

As for WA timber lands I agree with carrot and stick method, threaten tax codes and incentivise public access!  Whatever it takes to Break the Gates! on cooperate timber grounds! 

We need to reach out to other access groups too,  REI types would go for that?