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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #150 on: September 18, 2019, 03:08:05 PM »
There are 10,851 members of the Yakima tribe (check google if you don't believe me).  Lets say that 90% of them don't want to hunt and don't care about hunting.  Now your down to approximately 1085 that hunt.  Lets say conservatively that 75% of the hunters only hunt to sustain themselves for food for their families and only kill an average of two elk a year.  So that is 813 tribal members killing two elk each so right there is approximately 1600 elk killed.  The other 25% of the 10% so roughly 2.5% (272 tribal hunters) of the entire tribe are really hunting it hard for whatever they can get within the rules that are allowed to them.  out of the 272 hunters left lets say that 172 of them are just bad hunters and can only come up with killing 5 elk in 180 days of hunting.  That is another 860 elk killed.  Lets say 100 of them are good hunters that hit it hard.  I know that if I hunted the Yakima areas for 180 days and could use whatever weapon I chose and hunt the rut and so forth, that I easily could kill 100 elk in 180 days and most members on this forum could do the same.  If I had a jerky business that depended on it I could probably kill more than that!  That is 10,000 elk.  100 hunters is less than 1% of the tribe total.  Starting to catch on?  With the huge number of the tribe having only 25% native bloodline (that means that one of their four grandparents were native).  I'm 75% English and 25% German.  I don't recognize myself as being a German.

Are the numbers and figures above correct?  NO they are not.  The only correct number above is the original number of 10,851 tribal members total.  We will never know the totals because they have no reporting requirements and wont consider starting.  But some of the figures above are on the conservative side I do believe.  The total number of elk killed in the figures above is 12,460 per year.  Do I believe that the tribe kills that many elk a year?  NO!  Do I believe uncontrolled tribal hunting in the Yakima area is the number one cause of elk depletion.  ABSOLUTELY!!!!  Wolves, Bears, Cougars, and non-native poaching aren't even a close second place!! The only other big contributing factor is weather issues with winter kill and poor calf production and survival but even that isn't close to the number one reason.   Anyone else thinking otherwise needs to re-think their views in my opinion.

What about the muckleshoot tribe that is hunting the Yakima herd. They already have a track record of killing off a bunch of elk out 410, they’ve just moved a little farther east...

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #151 on: September 18, 2019, 03:12:59 PM »
There are 10,851 members of the Yakima tribe (check google if you don't believe me).  Lets say that 90% of them don't want to hunt and don't care about hunting.  Now your down to approximately 1085 that hunt.  Lets say conservatively that 75% of the hunters only hunt to sustain themselves for food for their families and only kill an average of two elk a year.  So that is 813 tribal members killing two elk each so right there is approximately 1600 elk killed.  The other 25% of the 10% so roughly 2.5% (272 tribal hunters) of the entire tribe are really hunting it hard for whatever they can get within the rules that are allowed to them.  out of the 272 hunters left lets say that 172 of them are just bad hunters and can only come up with killing 5 elk in 180 days of hunting.  That is another 860 elk killed.  Lets say 100 of them are good hunters that hit it hard.  I know that if I hunted the Yakima areas for 180 days and could use whatever weapon I chose and hunt the rut and so forth, that I easily could kill 100 elk in 180 days and most members on this forum could do the same.  If I had a jerky business that depended on it I could probably kill more than that!  That is 10,000 elk.  100 hunters is less than 1% of the tribe total.  Starting to catch on?  With the huge number of the tribe having only 25% native bloodline (that means that one of their four grandparents were native).  I'm 75% English and 25% German.  I don't recognize myself as being a German.

Are the numbers and figures above correct?  NO they are not.  The only correct number above is the original number of 10,851 tribal members total.  We will never know the totals because they have no reporting requirements and wont consider starting.  But some of the figures above are on the conservative side I do believe.  The total number of elk killed in the figures above is 12,460 per year.  Do I believe that the tribe kills that many elk a year?  NO!  Do I believe uncontrolled tribal hunting in the Yakima area is the number one cause of elk depletion.  ABSOLUTELY!!!!  Wolves, Bears, Cougars, and non-native poaching aren't even a close second place!! The only other big contributing factor is weather issues with winter kill and poor calf production and survival but even that isn't close to the number one reason.   Anyone else thinking otherwise needs to re-think their views in my opinion.

What about the muckleshoot tribe that is hunting the Yakima herd. They already have a track record of killing off a bunch of elk out 410, they’ve just moved a little farther east...

In my research I found out that you only have to be 1/8th to be a member of the Muckleshoot compared to 1/4 for Yakimas
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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #152 on: September 18, 2019, 03:15:55 PM »
How do you know a “huge number” of the tribe is only 25% native?? Having a German grandparent you could apply for German citizenship. I have friends that have gotten Italian citizenship with proof of great grandparents lineage so not sure what you are getting at?
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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #153 on: September 18, 2019, 03:19:53 PM »
Having a German grandparent you could apply for German citizenship.

Or you could just pour in across the border with thousands of your african buddies and merkel will welcome you with open arms

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #154 on: September 18, 2019, 03:22:59 PM »
Must have been how the natives felt seeing all the Europeans unload off of boats claiming the land was now theirs.
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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #155 on: September 18, 2019, 03:27:13 PM »
Must have been how the natives felt seeing all the Europeans unload off of boats claiming the land was now theirs.
they took it from someone too, did they give the previous land dwellers treaties?
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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #156 on: September 18, 2019, 03:29:00 PM »
No they just spent a bunch of time killing the natives, relocating them, giving them blankets with small pox, taking all their resources. See the declines of American wildlife. There were an estimated 10million elk in North America when Europeans arrived. 60million bison. Somehow the natives were able to coexist and use those resources for 14thousand years or so. Europeans took elk numbers down to 50 thousand in about 400years.
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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #157 on: September 18, 2019, 03:30:09 PM »
Must have been how the natives felt seeing all the Europeans unload off of boats claiming the land was now theirs.
they took it from someone too, did they give the previous land dwellers treaties?

Sshhh, dont mention the fact that the native tribes were constantly raiding, murdering, raping and kidnapping and stealing territory from other tribes before white people came and just happened to beat them at their own game.

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #158 on: September 18, 2019, 03:30:20 PM »
 Yeah they got a great treaty the men were offered to have their scalp cut off before they were murdered. And their wives got to be raped and kidnapped and become part of the attacking tribe.  But yeah let’s just keep talking on how wrong we have done them. Oh wait I forget we didn’t do anything to them, our ancestors  did something to their ancestors hundreds of years ago. Just like when they were committing the same acts. They owe those people nothing just as we should owe all of them nothing.

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #159 on: September 18, 2019, 03:32:40 PM »
Ok folks, this needs to get toned down and be civil or it will be locked and go away.
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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #160 on: September 18, 2019, 03:33:08 PM »
So now we have to justify and defend our blood quantum and identity on HW? Wow... Does it really matter if a person meets the minimum requirements to be a member of a Tribe? Someone could be enrolled and not have been taught/instructed on how to conduct themselves within our society and someone could not meet the minimum requirements and been taught/instructed?

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #161 on: September 18, 2019, 03:34:36 PM »
Somehow the natives were able to coexist and use those resources for 14thousand years or so.

Heres the somehow.... they didnt have horses or guns.

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #162 on: September 18, 2019, 03:51:43 PM »
Yeah they got a great treaty the men were offered to have their scalp cut off before they were murdered. And their wives got to be raped and kidnapped and become part of the attacking tribe.  But yeah let’s just keep talking on how wrong we have done them. Oh wait I forget we didn’t do anything to them, our ancestors  did something to their ancestors hundreds of years ago. Just like when they were committing the same acts. They owe those people nothing just as we should owe all of them nothing.

If you are talking about the treaty of 1855, they were pretty much forced into it after the war in 1855. And, they did a heck of a job retaining their hunting rights. If you think there was coercion coming from the natives, you need a history lesson. Badly.

This thread has taken a turn for the worse. Its starting to wreak of jealousy and envy for a group who was forced to give up everything in exchange for retaining some of the rights they enjoyed for thousands of years. And like I said earlier, the real problem is poaching, yet people find a more convenient subject on which to place blame.

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #163 on: September 18, 2019, 03:59:54 PM »
The laws should be equally applied to everyone. End of story

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Re: Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd
« Reply #164 on: September 18, 2019, 04:16:26 PM »
So much ignorance on this thread it makes you wonder about the education system.  I'm done on this one, continue on.

 


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