209 primers in WA. Cant believe no one wants them?

[captbly]

Per WDFW
"The Department polled hunters extensively on these
topics and the result is what you see in the proposed
rules. The majority of hunters did not want to allow a
change in ignition systems."

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/seasonsetting/2009-2011_recommendations/comments_232-12-051_muzzleloading_firearms.pdf

Is that true with most here?  If so why?  not sure what I'm missing (I dont have a muzzleloader yet), but seems like the 209 primer would be the way to go?

[robodad]

Most here will argue that it modernizes the whole traditional muzzy experience and makes the newer muzzleloaders more reliable, I don't mind that they are illegal, I just go with the rules and use what is so it doesn't bother me. You should look up Idaho's rules if you think our's suck !!

[Moose Eyes]

Most of us know you certainly don't need a 209 to kill an animal.  But if you allow it and some other incremental changes that moves muzzleloader hunting closer to modern hunting then perhaps too many people will want to jump ship, making the woods a little too crowded during black powder seasons. 

[dontgetcrabs]

Maybe we should go back to flint locks?

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

Want my opinion??? Probably not, but then why ask the question.

We hunt with a primative weapon and want seasons different than a modern firearm but then ask questions like why can't i use a scope??? Why can't i use jacketed bullets (now we can) but before this year we couldn't. Why can't i use a fool proof ignition system?
Why should Fish and wildlife let us primative weapon users different seasons to hunt when the weapon we hunt with is as modern as a high power rifle now??? Only thing different is the range and power. But at 200 yards a ML is still effective, i will not take that shot but some will...

[bobcat]

I'm fine with 209 primers not being allowed, and would be fine with jacketed bullets being illegal. Even better would be if inlines were not legal. Muzzleloader season originated to give people the option of hunting with a primitive weapon for a more challenging hunt. It's too bad it's gotten away from that. And I do hunt with an inline now but also have a sidelock. I had to get an inline to see what all the fuss was about. So far I haven't seen much of an advantage and may switch back to using only the traditional sidelock.

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

If they switched it to truely primative only i would still hunt with a ML. I would kind of like to see that.

[ThePascoKid]

I don't think they should allow the 209's either, I want them to keep it as primitive as possible to keep more people from doing it.  Although I never understood the restrictions on the bullets, why wouldn't they want you to use the best bullet you can to kill as quickly and humanely as possible.  I am glad for that change but never want to see 209's or scopes allowed on ML.

[videoman]

Only if I there was a 209 primer 2 yrs ago.  I shot at a 9*6 elk and the muzzle didn't go off 3 times I was pissed @ first but now I laugh when I tell that story.  It was a good thing I had the multi season tag because he went down with the 300 wm.

[fishunt247]

I would be okay with it too if they made us go back to traditional muzzleloaders. It would knock out a lot of guys. Basically, with all of these fancy additions, they are reinventing the single shot rifle. Can't wait for one of the gun makers to come out with one that shoots these new, foolproof bullet/powder combinations concealed inside a brass casing with the primer attatched.

[bobcat]

Can't wait for one of the gun makers to come out with one that shoots these new, foolproof bullet/powder combinations concealed inside a brass casing with the primer attatched.

    That's funny because it's true. I've often wondered the same thing...

[billythekidrock]

Is that true with most here?  If so why?  not sure what I'm missing (I dont have a muzzleloader yet), but seems like the 209 primer would be the way to go?

Quote from F&W commissioners on this issue and primitive weapons hunts.
"unique hunting ability, not unique technical ability"

[lamar_hunter]

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Quote from F&W commissioners on this issue and primitive weapons hunts.
"unique hunting ability, not unique technical ability"
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yep if muzzleloader guys were allowed to use every new product that comes out they would just be getting an earlier rifle season.

[muzzleman]

I would be okay with it too if they made us go back to traditional muzzleloaders. It would knock out a lot of guys. Basically, with all of these fancy additions, they are reinventing the single shot rifle. Can't wait for one of the gun makers to come out with one that shoots these new, foolproof bullet/powder combinations concealed inside a brass casing with the primer attached.

Quote from F&W commissioners on this issue and primitive weapons hunts.
"unique hunting ability, not unique technical ability"
[/quote]

 

[M_ray]

I'm fine with 209 primers not being allowed, and would be fine with jacketed bullets being illegal. Even better would be if inlines were not legal. Muzzleloader season originated to give people the option of hunting with a primitive weapon for a more challenging hunt. It's too bad it's gotten away from that. And I do hunt with an inline now but also have a sidelock. I had to get an inline to see what all the fuss was about. So far I haven't seen much of an advantage and may switch back to using only the traditional sidelock.

To answer your question Bly I'm fine without 209 in fact I have a system I'm  sure I will not change to jacketed just for the sake of changing because as bobcat say's here I don't see much of an advantage uless you have a scope.

Bobcat I'm a little unclear with your thoughts though ... first you say
"Even better would be if inlines were not legal."

Then you say
"So far I haven't seen much of an advantage and may switch back to using only the traditional sidelock."
So if you have tried both and don't see any advantage why would you be in favor of making an inline illegal? I have had this debate with some rifle Hunter's in the past and this was the same argument I made with them. It doesn't become a big difference until you start adding 209, a scope and max 150 grn loads IMO. until then you are still shooting a limited range weapon (130 yards max) that is open to the elements and prone to missfires. I know of plenty who have had missfires with an inline, Just because you are using a inline it doesn't automatically make it capable to shoot 200 yards reliably ... you need to add the 209 a scope and jacketed bullets with a max load to achive those results. People also forget the reason for these advancements in the first place, It all came about because many counties in the midwest have Modern firearm or high power rifle restrictions. This allowed them to shoot farther across a field than with thier shotgun and slug but still keeping within the limited range boundries.