Who Needs A Rifle For Self Defense?

[fishngamereaper]

The guy watches too much tv.

Home invasions in Washington and Oregon are extremely rare. A criminal staying around for a gun fight is even less likely.

Handgun with a light is all you need.

lol.. After your first gun fight get back to me on what you need.. if you still can.

I'll always take my AR with a 30 rounder over a pistol if I can. Real life experience teaches you this.

But if not it helps to be damn good with a handgun...

[konradcountry]

The guy watches too much tv.

Home invasions in Washington and Oregon are extremely rare. A criminal staying around for a gun fight is even less likely.

Handgun with a light is all you need.

lol.. After your first gun fight get back to me on what you need.. if you still can.

I'll always take my AR with a 30 rounder over a pistol if I can. Real life experience teaches you this.

Where you do plan on getting into this gunfight? Eastern Wa? Most Wa homicides are in King/Pierce.

Criminals aren't looking to get into a gunfight over your HDTV.

Oh dear something went bump in my shed in Benton county, hang on lemme get my SAW

[jasnt]

There has been several home invasions in deer park in the last few years, and yes they were armed.  If it can happen here it can happen in your home town. I’d rather have it and not need it....

Where I live you could have an all out firefight and no one would even blink an eye.  No one would call the cops for you.  They’d be like there he goes sighting in his night vision again, or hope he got that stinking coyote. 

[syoungs]

The guy watches too much tv.

Home invasions in Washington and Oregon are extremely rare. A criminal staying around for a gun fight is even less likely.

Handgun with a light is all you need.

lol.. After your first gun fight get back to me on what you need.. if you still can.

I'll always take my AR with a 30 rounder over a pistol if I can. Real life experience teaches you this.

Where you do plan on getting into this gunfight? Eastern Wa? Most Wa homicides are in King/Pierce.

Criminals aren't looking to get into a gunfight over your HDTV.

Oh dear something went bump in my shed in Benton county, hang on lemme get my SAW

https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/crime/article226545950.html

[syoungs]

https://www.610kona.com/two-injured-in-richland-shooting-early-monday-morning/

https://keprtv.com/news/local/watch-new-footage-released-from-pasco-gun-fight

less then 1 minute of google shows these 3 links. 2 in Benton county, 1 across the river in franklin county.

[AROTTY]

I have a glock 34 with light and  RMR and an AR with an Aimpoint for home defense. I’ll take whatever is handy but give me a choice it’s the AR for these reasons.
1. 5.56 or 223 will penetrate less layers of drywall than a pistol bullet or buckshot.
2. I can put more accurate rounds on target quicker with my AR.
3. 5.56 is more likely to kill or incapacitate with a hit.

As far as what rounds it depends. If you want to defeat most armor than good M193 is  the way to go. It will also fragment pretty reliably. Non armor 75-77 grain OTM bullets shine. For a good combo that will give barrier and glass penetration than gold dot, fusion or Barnes in the 64 grain are very good(what most PDs use).

[pianoman9701]

The guy watches too much tv.

Home invasions in Washington and Oregon are extremely rare. A criminal staying around for a gun fight is even less likely.

Handgun with a light is all you need.

lol.. After your first gun fight get back to me on what you need.. if you still can.

I'll always take my AR with a 30 rounder over a pistol if I can. Real life experience teaches you this.

Where you do plan on getting into this gunfight? Eastern Wa? Most Wa homicides are in King/Pierce.

Criminals aren't looking to get into a gunfight over your HDTV.

Oh dear something went bump in my shed in Benton county, hang on lemme get my SAW

What is the point in preparing against a home invasion? To be able to repel an attack and protect you and your family. You're correct that most people will never experience a home invasion or get into a gun fight and yet, you're still prepared with your handgun and flashlight. Why, if you think it's so unlikely? Your handgun may be plenty if your home invasion will only involve one intruder. However, a vast majority of home invasions include multiple attackers. How many cartridges does your handgun hold? 7, 10, 13? What happens when you're confronted with multiple armed attackers? Did you remember to grab your spare mag when you jumped out of bed and grabbed your handgun? Likely not. Even if the criminals all have only 7- 13 rounds each, you're outgunned. An AR solves these issues.

I don't ever expect to use any of my firearms in self defense and likely won't. But don't confuse my expectations with my preparedness. When I prepare for a home invasion, I prepare to have superior firepower and training. If three criminals come through my door, they will be met with overwhelming resistance.

[2MANY]

The guy watches too much tv.

Home invasions in Washington and Oregon are extremely rare. A criminal staying around for a gun fight is even less likely.

Handgun with a light is all you need.

lol.. After your first gun fight get back to me on what you need.. if you still can.

I'll always take my AR with a 30 rounder over a pistol if I can. Real life experience teaches you this.

Where you do plan on getting into this gunfight? Eastern Wa? Most Wa homicides are in King/Pierce.

Criminals aren't looking to get into a gunfight over your HDTV.

Oh dear something went bump in my shed in Benton county, hang on lemme get my SAW

What is the point in preparing against a home invasion? To be able to repel an attack and protect you and your family. You're correct that most people will never experience a home invasion or get into a gun fight and yet, you're still prepared with your handgun and flashlight. Why, if you think it's so unlikely? Your handgun may be plenty if your home invasion will only involve one intruder. However, a vast majority of home invasions include multiple attackers. How many cartridges does your handgun hold? 7, 10, 13? What happens when you're confronted with multiple armed attackers? Did you remember to grab your spare mag when you jumped out of bed and grabbed your handgun? Likely not. Even if the criminals all have only 7- 13 rounds each, you're outgunned. An AR solves these issues.

I don't ever expect to use any of my firearms in self defense and likely won't. But don't confuse my expectations with my preparedness. When I prepare for a home invasion, I prepare to have superior firepower and training. If three criminals come through my door, they will be met with overwhelming resistance.

That's all fine and well but what color will you repaint your walls?

[pianoman9701]

Red, with the blood of my attackers.

[konradcountry]

What is the point in preparing against a home invasion? To be able to repel an attack and protect you and your family. You're correct that most people will never experience a home invasion or get into a gun fight and yet, you're still prepared with your handgun and flashlight. Why, if you think it's so unlikely?

Because there are two difference scenarios here:

1. Using a gun to investigate or discourage a threat
2. Using a gun in a gunfight with home invaders

Scenario #2 is extremely unlikely to where you might as well prepare to be struck by lightening.

A handgun is more useful for the far more common scenario #1. It is more portable for clearing rooms and you can stick it in your pocket quickly if you need to talk to someone without alerting them. I have had to do this.

Even if the criminals all have only 7- 13 rounds each, you're outgunned. An AR solves these issues.

Why are three criminals sticking around for a gunfight? This was a random robbery? Unless you deal drugs or live in a bad neighborhood this is simply unrealistic. Criminals aren't going to stick around for a 3 man gunfight just to get your wife's jewelry. Shoot one and the other two will retreat.

[konradcountry]

https://www.610kona.com/two-injured-in-richland-shooting-early-monday-morning/

https://keprtv.com/news/local/watch-new-footage-released-from-pasco-gun-fight

less then 1 minute of google shows these 3 links. 2 in Benton county, 1 across the river in franklin county.

Not home invasions.

[pianoman9701]

What is the point in preparing against a home invasion? To be able to repel an attack and protect you and your family. You're correct that most people will never experience a home invasion or get into a gun fight and yet, you're still prepared with your handgun and flashlight. Why, if you think it's so unlikely?

Because there are two difference scenarios here:

1. Using a gun to investigate or discourage a threat
2. Using a gun in a gunfight with home invaders

Scenario #2 is extremely unlikely to where you might as well prepare to be struck by lightening.

A handgun is more useful for the far more common scenario #1. It is more portable for clearing rooms and you can stick it in your pocket quickly if you need to talk to someone without alerting them. I have had to do this.

Even if the criminals all have only 7- 13 rounds each, you're outgunned. An AR solves these issues.

Why are three criminals sticking around for a gunfight? This was a random robbery? Unless you deal drugs or live in a bad neighborhood this is simply unrealistic. Criminals aren't going to stick around for a 3 man gunfight just to get your wife's jewelry. Shoot one and the other two will retreat.

Really? You've actually stuck your gun in your pocket with an intruder in your house so you could talk to them?  Sure. I'm not talking to anyone. If you're an intruder in my house, you're either going to die or leave with a blood trail. Good luck to you.   

[Cab]

I'll just point out that it's not just about what firearm YOU can use it's what firearm the people in your family can use as well. My wife is incredibly sensitive to recoil to the point that she doesn't like shooting 9mm at all. I can hand her an AR15 and she can shoot it no problem. https://myfox8.com/2019/11/04/woman-8-months-pregnant-opens-fire-with-ar-15-to-save-husband-during-home-invasion/

[konradcountry]

Really? You've actually stuck your gun in your pocket with an intruder in your house so you could talk to them?  Sure. I'm not talking to anyone. If you're an intruder in my house, you're either going to die or leave with a blood trail. Good luck to you.   

I had someone bang on my door and yell in the middle of the night. Turned out to be some drunk with the wrong address.

If you want to answer the door everytime in body amor and an AK-47 then be my guest.

I know however that living in the burbs means it is probably some teenager or drunk and I'd rather try to keep the peace.

[pianoman9701]

Really? You've actually stuck your gun in your pocket with an intruder in your house so you could talk to them?  Sure. I'm not talking to anyone. If you're an intruder in my house, you're either going to die or leave with a blood trail. Good luck to you.   

I had someone bang on my door and yell in the middle of the night. Turned out to be some drunk with the wrong address.

If you want to answer the door everytime in body amor and an AK-47 then be my guest.

I know however that living in the burbs means it is probably some teenager or drunk and I'd rather try to keep the peace.

We were talking about intruders and effective close combat weapons, not a knock on the door. I do answer the door from behind the lock with a pistol within reach. Responding to someone who's inside is a different story.