Heads up they are after your rights again !

[tritt007]

Just a heads up , our corrupt liberal governor and ag are at it again trying to strip away rights from citizens of the evergreen state . Maybe with the way Virginia is going we can make our own stand finnaly .

https://mynorthwest.com/1636992/inslee-ag-assault-weapons-ban/?show=comments#comments

[jstone]

BS
They created this society, they are trying to freak people out

[Taco280AI]

They'll never stop

[hughjorgan]

The assault weapons ban may fall flat on its face. There is a group in California challenging it based on the heller decision and Scalia's opinion on not being able to ban a weapon that is "in common use at the time." AR-15 is in common use being that it the most commonly use semi auto in the country.

[Bango skank]

Figured this thread would be a good place to ask.  Anynody have a link to that online class b.s. i need to do to buy a semi auto now?

[storyteller]

Here is the link that I used, found out about it from sportsman warehouse.


https://mylegalheat.com/classes/online/washington-i-1639-training-course/

[JL]

5 minutes: https://sporting-systems.com/free-1639-training/

[tritt007]

If you want an ar15 style semi auto just build one and bypass i1639 .

[Bango skank]

Thanks guys

[hunter399]

I always find it funny that we are right behind California on gun laws , yet all the same laws there have not stoped any mass shooting there.background ammo laws .what a joke ,keep your powder dry.

[Cougartail]

The assault weapons ban may fall flat on its face. There is a group in California challenging it based on the heller decision and Scalia's opinion on not being able to ban a weapon that is "in common use at the time." AR-15 is in common use being that it the most commonly use semi auto in the country.

Unconstitutional laws have been passed and enforced for years. The 2nd means nothing to these people. No one wants to sit in jail while things are hashed out. Consequences for passing unconstitutional laws need to be passed as to stop these freedom hating leftist's.

[Special T]

Figured this thread would be a good place to ask.  Anynody have a link to that online class b.s. i need to do to buy a semi auto now?

Dont do it! build an 80% lower!

[Hi-Liter]

Ag and governor are so worried about safety of people why are they  not mandated one police resource officer for every school in Washington state? With the amount of money they will try to push this if it doesn’t pass the house and senate they will  try to put it on an initiative and that cost millions in advertisement. First step of taking away more guns, next will be pistols and semi auto shotguns. Socialism government at its best.

[CP]

"Senator Patty Kuderer and Rep. Strom Petersen, both Democrats, will sponsor companion bills in the House and Senate proposing the assault weapons ban."

I don't know Patty but I vote against Strom in every election.  I wish others would as well.

[Fl0und3rz]

Remember when those on "our" side try to convince us that taking away an 18-20 year olds right to a Ruger 10/22 and we should just relent to show the other side we were serious about "gun safety?"

What say you now?

[jstone]

Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people

[ne kid]

How would a guy go about a recall of the governor or AG? Even lawsuits against the state just to keep them busy. I could even find a whistleblower. Use their tactics.

[jstone]

They try to only have like minded minions fallow them around.

[ne kid]

 

[Henrydog]

I vote in every election.  I am a 2 subject voter 1) pro gun 2) anti tax.  Beside my obvious objections to this clown what make me more upset is an AG who is pushing new legislation.  That is not his role and goes against the whole principle of separation of powers.

[JimmyHoffa]

Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people

This is probably the easiest place to vote.  You get almost a month to fill out a form and then mail it in for free.  No lines, no missed work, no missing part of modern elk, etc.  I think the highest returns for a county still only come in around 55%.

[Elkaholic daWg]

I vote in every election.  I am a 2 subject voter 1) pro gun 2) anti tax.  Beside my obvious objections to this clown what make me more upset is an AG who is pushing new legislation.  That is not his role and goes against the whole principle of separation of powers.

So true but as they show us daily those jackwagons on care about laws they agree with!

[knighttime25]

Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people

It's frustrating when you're one of the ones that does vote and then they sue because they don't like the outcome of the people's vote ($30 car tabs)....

[nwwanderer]

Session starts Jan. 13, stay with it and get involved.  It is truly a mess and they think they have the votes to make us the poster child for the green new deal, notice, no caps.

[konradcountry]

Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people

The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.

Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.

What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.

[Igor]

Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people

The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.

Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.

What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.

We have that gun rights organization right here in the Northwest......it's called the Second Amendment Foundation.

https://www.saf.org/

I contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.

[konradcountry]

Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people

The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.

Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.

What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.

We have that gun rights organization right here in the Northwest......it's called the Second Amendment Foundation.

https://www.saf.org/

I contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.

We need a Northwest or West Coast focused group that isn't associated with the NRA.

Like it or not the media has successfully convinced the voters that the NRA is the problem.

In fact to our emotionally laden voters an NRA rejection is equal to an endorsement.

We need a different angle. Maybe a sportsmen focused group.

[Igor]

Problem is not enough people vote. I vote every time, hear people complain and ask them if they voted sometimes they say no. Come on people

The real problem is that King county is basically a protectorate of California.

Oregon has the same problem. A few rural counties outvote everyone else.

What we need is a new gun rights organization for the northwest. The NRA has basically abandoned the west coast. They stopped fighting Democrats in California and now they don't care about us either.

We have that gun rights organization right here in the Northwest......it's called the Second Amendment Foundation.

https://www.saf.org/

I contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.

We need a Northwest or West Coast focused group that isn't associated with the NRA.

Like it or not the media has successfully convinced the voters that the NRA is the problem.

In fact to our emotionally laden voters an NRA rejection is equal to an endorsement.

We need a different angle. Maybe a sportsmen focused group.

THE SAF has nothing to do with the NRA...........did you look at the link I provided?  It was founded by Alan Gottlieb, and is based in Bellevue, WA.  I have met and talked with Mr. Gottlieb through the Washington Arms Collectors, and he is very dedicated to preserving and protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.

[konradcountry]

THE SAF has nothing to do with the NRA...........did you look at the link I provided?  It was founded by Alan Gottlieb, and is based in Bellevue, WA.  I have met and talked with Mr. Gottlieb through the Washington Arms Collectors, and he is very dedicated to preserving and protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.

They are filing a joint lawsuit with the NRA. That's enough for the media and anti-gun groups to work with.

I also don't think the lawsuit is well thought out. Sorry.

[Igor]

THE SAF has nothing to do with the NRA...........did you look at the link I provided?  It was founded by Alan Gottlieb, and is based in Bellevue, WA.  I have met and talked with Mr. Gottlieb through the Washington Arms Collectors, and he is very dedicated to preserving and protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.

They are filing a joint lawsuit with the NRA. That's enough for the media and anti-gun groups to work with.

I also don't think the lawsuit is well thought out. Sorry.

No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive.  The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974.  Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.

Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so.  As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf.  And if you things are bad now...................just wait.

[Special T]

I would also point out that the 2AF and NRA have slightly different focuses. 2AF focuses on lawsuits, and NRA focuses on lobbying politicians. both are necessary and excell in their own way.

[konradcountry]

No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive.  The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974.  Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.

Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so.  As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf.  And if you things are bad now...................just wait.

No offense taken.

I'm well aware that our state is following the path of California and I'm not happy about it.

This is why I don't think the current strategy is going to work.

The NRA has lost just about every lawsuit in California.

[Bango skank]

No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive.  The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974.  Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.

Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so.  As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf.  And if you things are bad now...................just wait.

No offense taken.

I'm well aware that our state is following the path of California and I'm not happy about it.

This is why I don't think the current strategy is going to work.

The NRA has lost just about every lawsuit in California.

the only strategy that can work at this point is to crank the rope factories up to full production and begin decorating trees and lamp posts.

[konradcountry]

Polls have shown that the majority doesn't understand the intent of 2A. This includes many gun owners.

The NRA has done nothing to counter this. They lavishly spend on executive salaries and perks while doing nothing about the indoctrination problem. They just aren't good at countering what happens in the schools and media. I honestly don't think the executives even care about AR-15s. Everything they do tells me it isn't a priority for them. I think they assume the west coast will ban them and they don't care.

So this is why I think we need a new organization. It's not just about 1639. We don't have an organization that is countering the media. The NRA just yells about a bill being unconstitutional when the majority doesn't understand what that really means. So they aren't going to care if a judge basically says "nah" without an explanation.

The media has also convinced the public that the AR-15 is the problem. The NRA never points out that AR-15s aren't even used in 1% of homicides. They don't have the guts to point out that most gun related homicides occur in about 12 Democrat monopoly cities. Most of the US is no more violent than Europe. But the NRA doesn't have the guts to point out the truth since it is politically incorrect.

[Taco280AI]

ARs first because they make great talking points, even if very few shootings actually used them.

Then they'll go after handguns.

Then...

Until they're all gone

[Lucky1]

Polls have shown that the majority doesn't understand the intent of 2A. This includes many gun owners.

The NRA has done nothing to counter this. They lavishly spend on executive salaries and perks while doing nothing about the indoctrination problem. They just aren't good at countering what happens in the schools and media. I honestly don't think the executives even care about AR-15s. Everything they do tells me it isn't a priority for them. I think they assume the west coast will ban them and they don't care.

So this is why I think we need a new organization. It's not just about 1639. We don't have an organization that is countering the media. The NRA just yells about a bill being unconstitutional when the majority doesn't understand what that really means. So they aren't going to care if a judge basically says "nah" without an explanation.

The media has also convinced the public that the AR-15 is the problem. The NRA never points out that AR-15s aren't even used in 1% of homicides. They don't have the guts to point out that most gun related homicides occur in about 12 Democrat monopoly cities. Most of the US is no more violent than Europe. But the NRA doesn't have the guts to point out the truth since it is politically incorrect.

You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesn’t do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.
Why don’t you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA. You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights. Your rants are just negative and counter productive. You owe the NRA for most of the rights you still have. I don’t have much hope that you will acknowledge that, and I don’t really care much either.  DO SOMETHING! Give money. Join one of the other groups and be a 2A activist.

[konradcountry]

You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesn’t do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.

Yea I realize that I don't take the common view here. That doesn't mean I am filled with rage and anger.

NRA CEO Wayne Pierre compensation in 2018 was 2.2 million in 2018. Average Wall St CEO salary was 400k.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-paid-wayne-lapierre-2-2-million-in-2018-a-55-increase-11573854835

NRA drop in political spending in 2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-gun-control-outspends-nra-rights/

Why don’t you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA.

Why are you defending Wayne LaPierre who is clearly just lining his pockets? Or do you think he deserved that million dollar pay raise? Is the NRA winning?

You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights.

You have no idea as to what I am involved in.

I gave reasons as to why I'm disappointed with the NRA. Feel free to buy Wayne another jet.

[TooTallMike]

FPC is the way

[Windwalker]

 FPC -
 Bottom line - support the enemy of your enemies.
If you are searching for a squeaky clean agenda, human nature and political motivations are guaranteed to wilt your lilies. If you don’t feel like sending $$ to the NRA don’t.
Just know they have done a lot of good. I certainly hope they pull it together & wish them the best of luck doing so.
 Right now the FPC will put those donations to good use.

And don’t forget the Second Amendment Foundation.

https://www.saf.org/

I also contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.

[Twispriver]

I'm guessing these pieces of proposed legislation are never expected to pass but are intended to lay the groundwork for an initiative to the people that has probably already been drafted. If the legislation never gets out of committee it gives cover to the politicians on both sides that don't want to have to defend their vote for or against something as polarizing as gun control.

[Lucky1]

You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesn’t do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.

Yea I realize that I don't take the common view here. That doesn't mean I am filled with rage and anger.

NRA CEO Wayne Pierre compensation in 2018 was 2.2 million in 2018. Average Wall St CEO salary was 400k.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-paid-wayne-lapierre-2-2-million-in-2018-a-55-increase-11573854835

NRA drop in political spending in 2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-gun-control-outspends-nra-rights/

Why don’t you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA.

Why are you defending Wayne LaPierre who is clearly just lining his pockets? Or do you think he deserved that million dollar pay raise? Is the NRA winning?

You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights.

You have no idea as to what I am involved in.

I gave reasons as to why I'm disappointed with the NRA. Feel free to buy Wayne another jet.

I am not interested in getting in a pissing match with you.
You are right. I do not know what you do to help protect our 2A rights. I should have said that complaining about the NRA is not helping. If you do anything at all, kudos to you. It’s more than most gun owners do.