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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2019, 05:30:49 AM »
Not likely to see a report of this nature out of WDFW, to bad, a little info could help the situation

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2019, 07:11:58 AM »
This is what happens when extreme ideology overrides game management. There will come a day when Washington joins that list if it already hasn’t happened. Predator populations must be controlled by man with effective methods to do so. :twocents:

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2019, 07:36:52 AM »
Transplant some wolves in the judges neighborhood.

Propose legislation holding judges financially responsible for damages from non scientific decisions. If they want to go rogue and override we the people, then they should pay.

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2019, 07:55:01 AM »
So each wolf waits an average of 18 days between deer kills?  I wish !

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2019, 11:59:43 AM »
Why doesn't Colorado have any wolves, yet Washington is loaded with them?


https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/10/gray-wolf-colorado-wyoming/   

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The wolf sighting in northern Colorado was no optical illusion.

Colorado Parks and Wildlife confirmed Wednesday the rare beast to be a from the Snake River pack in Wyoming.

The wolf was last recorded Feb. 12 by transmission signals, parks and wildlife said.

The Wyoming Game and Fishing Department confirmed the reports out of Jackson County, a rural stretch of the state that hugs the Wyoming border.


So what I don't get is Colorado has a few dispersers show up and it makes headline news,  yet Washington somehow has 100's of them pop up in just a short couple of years.   
Colorado should have been fully repopulated by now following what they say about Washington.  It is closer to YNP and WY, which is where it all started ya?



"In Washington State, wolves were not reintroduced, but populations have been reestablished through the natural expansion of the Idaho population"

Why didn't wolves do the same in Colorado  :dunno:  :dunno:
« Last Edit: December 22, 2019, 12:14:13 PM by KFhunter »

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2019, 12:59:55 PM »
Why doesn't Colorado have any wolves, yet Washington is loaded with them?


https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/10/gray-wolf-colorado-wyoming/   

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The wolf sighting in northern Colorado was no optical illusion.

Colorado Parks and Wildlife confirmed Wednesday the rare beast to be a from the Snake River pack in Wyoming.

The wolf was last recorded Feb. 12 by transmission signals, parks and wildlife said.

The Wyoming Game and Fishing Department confirmed the reports out of Jackson County, a rural stretch of the state that hugs the Wyoming border.


So what I don't get is Colorado has a few dispersers show up and it makes headline news,  yet Washington somehow has 100's of them pop up in just a short couple of years.   
Colorado should have been fully repopulated by now following what they say about Washington.  It is closer to YNP and WY, which is where it all started ya?



"In Washington State, wolves were not reintroduced, but populations have been reestablished through the natural expansion of the Idaho population"

Why didn't wolves do the same in Colorado  :dunno:  :dunno:
It may have taken them a little longer to get there but there are multiple sightings; I believe their presence will be officially recognized soon.
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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2019, 02:08:55 PM »
Well I can say guarantee it will happen here,already lawsuits going about the management that WDFW  has done.A governor that doesn't want wolves killed .Its already here.

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More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2019, 02:16:10 PM »
Why doesn't Colorado have any wolves, yet Washington is loaded with them?


https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/10/gray-wolf-colorado-wyoming/   

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The wolf sighting in northern Colorado was no optical illusion.

Colorado Parks and Wildlife confirmed Wednesday the rare beast to be a from the Snake River pack in Wyoming.

The wolf was last recorded Feb. 12 by transmission signals, parks and wildlife said.

The Wyoming Game and Fishing Department confirmed the reports out of Jackson County, a rural stretch of the state that hugs the Wyoming border.


So what I don't get is Colorado has a few dispersers show up and it makes headline news,  yet Washington somehow has 100's of them pop up in just a short couple of years.   
Colorado should have been fully repopulated by now following what they say about Washington.  It is closer to YNP and WY, which is where it all started ya?



"In Washington State, wolves were not reintroduced, but populations have been reestablished through the natural expansion of the Idaho population"

Why didn't wolves do the same in Colorado  :dunno:  :dunno:

There’s a lot of talk in Colorado currently of an actual reintroduction.  The push is for voters to make it happen in 2020.
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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2019, 02:30:39 PM »
Why doesn't Colorado have any wolves, yet Washington is loaded with them?


https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/10/gray-wolf-colorado-wyoming/   

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The wolf sighting in northern Colorado was no optical illusion.

Colorado Parks and Wildlife confirmed Wednesday the rare beast to be a from the Snake River pack in Wyoming.

The wolf was last recorded Feb. 12 by transmission signals, parks and wildlife said.

The Wyoming Game and Fishing Department confirmed the reports out of Jackson County, a rural stretch of the state that hugs the Wyoming border.


So what I don't get is Colorado has a few dispersers show up and it makes headline news,  yet Washington somehow has 100's of them pop up in just a short couple of years.   
Colorado should have been fully repopulated by now following what they say about Washington.  It is closer to YNP and WY, which is where it all started ya?



"In Washington State, wolves were not reintroduced, but populations have been reestablished through the natural expansion of the Idaho population"

Why didn't wolves do the same in Colorado  :dunno:  :dunno:

Well it's probably pretty much the same as WA, remember wolves were reported to WDFW for several years before WDFW were finally forced to confirm a wolf pack. Nine years back many of the people on H-W believed WDFW were honest and would do the right thing.

I found out at a later date, several ranches in WA had been taking care of their wolf problems before the lie of first wolf pack in 70 years. If CF&W is anything like WDFW they will try to hide the existence of wolves as long as they can. After all the wolf is about shutting down hunting and ruining ranching.

Wolves have a way of "migrating" into cattle country..


WDFW and crew aren't sure where their wolves came from:

The “Naturally Migrating” GI Wolves

http://tomremington.com/2014/06/09/the-naturally-migrating-gi-wolves/

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2019, 02:35:24 PM »
Would be a shame to have COs hunting ruined by the introduction of a much larger wolf than ever inhabited the area.

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2019, 02:46:45 PM »
Colorado Mule Deer Association
May 15, 2015

There was a wolf shot by a coyote hunter in Grand County Colorado on April 29th. Here is the investigation report.

"At approximately 10 a.m., Wednesday, April 29, while hunting on BLM land near Wolford Mountain Reservoir in Grand County, a licensed coyote hunter shot and killed what he says he thought was a coyote. Upon further inspection, the hunter discovered that the animal appeared to be a wolf.

The hunter immediately called the CPW office in Hot Sulphur Springs to report the incident. A District Wildlife Manager responded to the scene to investigate.

The officer brought the carcass to CPW's office in Hot Sulphur Springs where it was inspected further by additional agency personnel.

The Area Wildlife Manager invited a biologist from Alaska, who coincidentally was attending the 49th North American Moose Conference and Workshop in Kremmling, to visually inspect the carcass.

Based on the initial, visual inspection by CPW personnel and the biologist from Alaska, the animal appeared to be a wild, male gray wolf, weighing approximately 90 lbs; however, DNA analysis to identify the animal will be conducted by the USFWS, as they have taken the lead in the investigation.

CPW will hold and care for the carcass until an agent from the USFWS takes possession, likely today.

The animal did not have a collar, ear tag or PIT tag when it was inspected.

According to the USFWS, it may take several weeks to determine with certainty whether the animal is a gray wolf.

The hunter has not been charged for the the illegal take of a gray wolf at this time, pending further investigation and identification of the animal."

FRIENDS, they (the wolf) are here. It is time to rally around Big Game Forever's campaign to support the National Delisting of the Wolf. We can't afford another major predator in Colorado. If you are interested in helping push for the National Delisting and working on this issue here in Colorado, email me.

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2019, 03:15:56 PM »
My point was this is a global phenonmon

Italy:  https://www.thelocal.it/20160311/italian-region-asks-to-hunt-its-wolves-to-instead-paying-farmers-fo-damage
France: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/20/france-wolf-population-grow-40-anger-farmers
Germany:  https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-wolf-population-on-the-rise-new-data-shows/a-41503395
Europe:  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/26/harmless-or-vicious-hunter-the-uneasy-return-of-europes-wolves
Finland:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/europe-wolf-population-finland-culling-protection

'It's very scary in the forest': should Finland's wolves be culled?

Russia:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/wolf-attacks-lead-to-state-of-emergency-in-russias-siberia-regio/

Wolf attacks lead to state of emergency in Russia's Siberia region


So Washington went from no known packs in 2008 to what we have now in 10 years and they did this all by themselves naturally, 
so why haven't they done this in Colorado where they have the largest Elk population of any state, more deer than Washington by estimated 100K or more,  and better wolf habitat? 

How come wolves "naturally" exploded in WA, but CO gets all excited if they see a roaming dispurser from Wyoming?   


We know Idaho wolves were planted, same with Montana and of course Wyoming.   
But so far Utah and Colorado have largely been spared from "naturally expanding wolves"   they certinatly didn't expand there like they did in Washington..which was my question.  Why?


and what's with the global wolf explosion?


I just don't see how they could have spread so fast in Washington naturally, and not done likewise in Colorado/Utah.
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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2019, 03:34:02 PM »
Maybe some were secretly planted in WA, who knows. Or there's more in CO than is being said.

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Re: More Deer Killed By Wolves Than By Hunters in 2019
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2019, 03:50:53 PM »
I suspect the terrain and food sources going north out of Yellowtsone were better than those going east initially.
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