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Offline DOUBLELUNG

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Re: Question on poaching
« Reply #90 on: December 27, 2019, 12:55:36 PM »
A significant percentage of us are opportunistic poachers; head out with every intention of hunting legally, but then: see a legal animal within shooting distance of the public road on private land; see a legal animal in the headlights after dark; see an animal on the closed side of the boundary; see an animal - legal or otherwise - next to the road on the trip home, etc. - and give in to the temptation.  The likelihood varies depending on how confident the observer is that they are "safe" from being caught.  These are the types most likely to be caught during an in-season decoy operation, or by an officer who saw the same situations described and decided to pull over and see if someone falls for the temptation. 

I ran video and electronics on numerous decoys when I worked in Wyoming.  The first several were close to town, and compliance was high; I started getting a warm fuzzy about how legal and ethical the hunters behaved.  Then I worked several that were in very remote areas - many miles from the nearest small town, often more than an hour drive after leaving the pavement - and the reverse occurred.  One particularly memorable day in the Bighorn Mountains, we started around noon on a Sunday midseason.  While half of the vehicles passing didn't see the decoy (a standing 4 point mule deer full body, 100 yards from the road, broadside but not silhouetted), everyone who saw the decoy shot it illegally.  After sunset we moved it to where headlights would shine it on a bend in the road, with reflective tape on the eyes - and everyone who saw it shot the decoy, until we finished up around 1 am.  At the time, it was a record for the region for the most big game violations written in a single day.

A very small percentage of us are deliberate poachers - heading out with every intention of taking an animal illegally.  These are the rut and winter range poachers, the spotlighters, etc.  Usually these cases start out as a tip from someone tired of their activity - a fair number of the tips come from relatives, coworkers and wives and girlfriends.  These cases often take months or years to build.  These serial poachers can put a severe dent in a vulnerable local resource.

Thrill killers are the dipsticks who tend to go on sprees with .22 rifles, and shoot and leave to rot anything they see.  They usually get caught eventually.  They tend to be either high school boys, or adult male losers using mind-altering substances.

Nobody knows how many actual meat poachers there are who are genuinely feeding the family.  The consensus of officers I've worked with is detection rates on them are the lowest of all poacher categories, and they rarely get caught.  I've known of two occasions where officers did have opportunity to bust "subsistence" poachers and chose not to do so (nether was in Washington).  In both cases they were families in dire straights literally struggling to survive, no possible way of paying fines, and would be destroyed by having a parent in jail.  In one of those cases, the officer purchased $100 groceries and delivered it to the family, along with a list of assistance resources they could obtain legally.
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: Question on poaching
« Reply #91 on: December 27, 2019, 01:05:20 PM »
What's this "us" you're talking about  :chuckle:

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Re: Question on poaching
« Reply #92 on: December 27, 2019, 01:40:06 PM »
 :yeah:
What's this "us" you're talking about  :chuckle:

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Re: Question on poaching
« Reply #93 on: December 27, 2019, 03:23:17 PM »
I will say this anytime I see certain thing I assume poaching.


Coming or going from the woods once it's dark or early mourning before light.


Are you kidding me wuth that?  Im always going into the woods well before daylight and/or coming out well after dark.

 :yeah: me too I almost always go in and come out in the dark. And I never wear hunters orange when I hunt Idaho buts that's legal for Idaho

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Re: Question on poaching
« Reply #94 on: December 27, 2019, 03:38:37 PM »
2nd poached deer, this one a doe dumped in the middle of a county road. Buck only area. Passed it and took pictures this morning, just called it in and no one else has even reported it. 6 hours on a pretty “busy” road. This is why people would think poaching isn’t as high because no one reports it and no one talks about it.


I would think that's roadkill someone salvaged before I screamed poached  :dunno:

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Re: Question on poaching
« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2019, 02:57:56 PM »
2nd poached deer, this one a doe dumped in the middle of a county road. Buck only area. Passed it and took pictures this morning, just called it in and no one else has even reported it. 6 hours on a pretty “busy” road. This is why people would think poaching isn’t as high because no one reports it and no one talks about it.

Or a doe killed in a unit legal to do so and left by someone lazy living in that unit.

I would think that's roadkill someone salvaged before I screamed poached  :dunno:

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Re: Question on poaching
« Reply #96 on: December 28, 2019, 04:52:49 PM »
Well for you guys that still have faith in people- both neck was slit and there was a decent hole in the chest of the hide. Coulda been a slip of a knife. Kill was tossed in the middle of the road and there was alfalfa all around and some fir branches, gloves, paper towels. Also fish and game responded because no roadkill permits were called in. And the burnout marks from someone tearing off away. Also the organs weren’t popped, all intact, I claimed 2 roadkill this year both had some serious bleeding going on. Just to justify calling it poaching. It’s funny to me when people wanna make up reasons other than poaching, defending someone who clearly did something wrong.
May my presence go unnoticed, may my shot be true, may the blood trail be short.

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