Do I really want a light rifle?

[ne kid]

Yes I would say there is a difference in recoil. I happen to have both calibers in the same gun,bought the wsm then a buddy needed money , and sold me 300wm both Winchester model 70 same exact gun. There is noticeable difference wsm less recoil by a distance.

[fowl smacker]

Yes I would say there is a difference in recoil. I happen to have both calibers in the same gun,bought the wsm then a buddy needed money , and sold me 300wm both Winchester model 70 same exact gun. There is noticeable difference wsm less recoil by a distance.

Shooting approximately the same load?  I wonder why that would be?

[BULLBLASTER]

Yes I would say there is a difference in recoil. I happen to have both calibers in the same gun,bought the wsm then a buddy needed money , and sold me 300wm both Winchester model 70 same exact gun. There is noticeable difference wsm less recoil by a distance.

Shooting approximately the same load?  I wonder why that would be?

Less horsepower... Less powder capacity and lower velocity for a given bullet weight. 

[bobcat]

Yes I would say there is a difference in recoil. I happen to have both calibers in the same gun,bought the wsm then a buddy needed money , and sold me 300wm both Winchester model 70 same exact gun. There is noticeable difference wsm less recoil by a distance.

Shooting approximately the same load?  I wonder why that would be?

Less horsepower... Less powder capacity and lower velocity for a given bullet weight. 

Exactly. Some people seem to think the two are ballstic twins. They're not. More powder, more velocity, same bullet weight = more recoil.

[Bob33]

My understanding is that the WSM can generate the same velocity as the Win Mag using slightly less powder due to the shorter, fatter case of the WSM being more efficient.

My limited experience with both is that the WSM does have slightly less recoil, everything else being equal.

[JimmyHoffa]

My understanding is that the WSM can generate the same velocity as the Win Mag using slightly less powder due to the shorter, fatter case of the WSM being more efficient.

My limited experience with both is that the WSM does have slightly less recoil, everything else being equal.

In the lighter weight bullets.  As bullets get bigger, the Win Mag starts distancing itself from the WSM.

[fowl smacker]

https://www.snipercountry.com/300-wsm-vs-300-win-mag/
Here's a great read comparing the two. 

[BULLBLASTER]

https://www.snipercountry.com/300-wsm-vs-300-win-mag/
Here's a great read comparing the two.

Its not really an apples to apples comparison when you look at the bullet choices between the 2. The wsm has more lighter bullets than the wm in that comparison.

A better comparison would be to compare the same bullets in both. 

[bobcat]

https://www.snipercountry.com/300-wsm-vs-300-win-mag/
Here's a great read comparing the two.

Its not really an apples to apples comparison when you look at the bullet choices between the 2. The wsm has more lighter bullets than the wm in that comparison.

A better comparison would be to compare the same bullets in both. 

 

[fowl smacker]

https://www.snipercountry.com/300-wsm-vs-300-win-mag/
Here's a great read comparing the two.

Its not really an apples to apples comparison when you look at the bullet choices between the 2. The wsm has more lighter bullets than the wm in that comparison.

A better comparison would be to compare the same bullets in both. 

I agree!  But you're still splitting hairs in my opinion.  We need someone who reloads for both calibers to make rounds for each using the same bullet and powder charge and see what the results are.  I'd be very curious.

[Jonathan_S]

Do you think that data doesn't exist? It's not even close between the win mag and the shortmag

[fowl smacker]

Do you think that data doesn't exist? It's not even close between the win mag and the shortmag

As far as what?  Recoil?  Ballistics?  Do you have a link to the data so I can see it.  From everything I can find they are very very similar.

[bobcat]

Do you think that data doesn't exist? It's not even close between the win mag and the shortmag

As far as what?  Recoil?  Ballistics?  Do you have a link to the data so I can see it.  From everything I can find they are very very similar.

It's really very simple. As I said before, more powder equals more velocity. The 300 Win. Mag. is a bigger case than the 300 WSM, and therefore holds more powder. So, that gives more velocity with the same weight bullet. Which also means more recoil.

It's exactly the same as comparing the 30/06 to the 300 Win. Mag. 30/06 has less powder capacity, therefore less velocity, and less recoil.

[ne kid]

If I had to throw one of the 2 away. I would throw the 300wm away. Which I won't because I only have "2" guns. I reload for both, and I am sold on 300 wsm great round.

[ThurstonCokid]

But do we REALLY feel recoil when hunting?

Absolutely never.


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