WA Rep. Robert Sutherland's comments about fish and wildlife officers

[Pegasus]

Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.

Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS.  The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?

What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.

[Bob33]

Agree or not with the closure, that comment is completely inappropriate from an elected official.

If nothing else the COVID19 pandemic has revealed the true colors of quite a few people.

[Tbar]

It's an interesting progression of opinions and events with animosity directed at the WDFW. I'm really curious how many individuals have contacted their local health department. Health departments, especially rural, have been in constant contact with the department and providing guidance.

[Tbar]

Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.

Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS.  The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?

What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.

The source of the shutdown is influenced by health departments in some of the Republican strongholds throughout the state. 

[jay.sharkbait]

Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.

Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS.  The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?

What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.

The source of the shutdown is influenced by health departments in some of the Republican strongholds throughout the state.

So are you saying King, Pierce and Snohomish county health depts aren’t advocating for the shutdown?

[Tbar]

I'm saying Sutherland would have been far better suited educating himself in regards to the entire situation.  Instead he attacked the resource protectors (which probably were his supporters). Reality would not have provided him opportunity publicly stroke his ego.  That moment of Sutherlands ego stroking will have longstanding repercussions.

[ucwarden]

Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.

Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS.  The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?

What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.

I did not ask what agenda, I asked whose agenda?  You say this is a political agenda against a Republican.  I assume the "this" you are referring to is my attempts to rally people to support F&W officers.  Who is it you think is conspiring against republicans...me?  Not that it matters at all here, but I have been a lifelong Republican, but that doesn't mean I give all Republicans a free pass, for their behavior, when they are in the wrong.  Sutherland was clearly in the wrong with his comments, and I can't believe anyone sees it any other way.

Also, once again you make a false assumption when you state; "It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening."  Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to.  To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering.  So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?

You have totally gone off topic here, as this was not meant to be a discussion about the validity of the closures, but rather a conversation about threatening remarks made by an elected official towards law enforcement officers.  I began this thread by saying "No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion."  I don't believe you will get many people on this forum to say they agree with continuing the shutdown at this time, but that was not at all my point.
I personally am not a fan of Governor Inslee's, but again this was not meant to be a discussion about politics, but rather of courtesy, respect, and the safety of law enforcement officers.   

[Pegasus]

I'm saying Sutherland would have been far better suited educating himself in regards to the entire situation.  Instead he attacked the resource protectors (which probably were his supporters). Reality would not have provided him opportunity publicly stroke his ego.  That moment of Sutherlands ego stroking will have longstanding repercussions.

Especially if you make a huge mountain out of a molehill which Inslee and the media have done. Inslee has declared that this protest was rebellion and blamed Trump for inciting the protest. Orangeman bad, Jay wonderful.

[ucwarden]

Agree or not with the closure, that comment is completely inappropriate from an elected official.

If nothing else the COVID19 pandemic has revealed the true colors of quite a few people.

Isn't that the truth?

[ucwarden]

I'm saying Sutherland would have been far better suited educating himself in regards to the entire situation.  Instead he attacked the resource protectors (which probably were his supporters). Reality would not have provided him opportunity publicly stroke his ego.  That moment of Sutherlands ego stroking will have longstanding repercussions.

Especially if you make a huge mountain out of a molehill which Inslee and the media have done. Inslee has declared that this protest was rebellion and blamed Trump for inciting the protest. Orangeman bad, Jay wonderful.

Pegasus:  Perhaps your discussions regarding the politics of the Covid-19 closure would be a better fit in forum topic:  WDFW Considering closing hunting and fishing for the year!!!!!!!!

[Igor]

Agree or not with the closure, that comment is completely inappropriate from an elected official.

If nothing else the COVID19 pandemic has revealed the true colors of quite a few people.

I guess what is most disheartening to me is how many people believe that their "rights" (which are actually privileges) are more important than anyone else's rights.  They are willing to go to the mat in order to exercise those privileges, and everyone else be damned.  Guess it's just a commentary on our society as a whole.

[Pegasus]

"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to.  To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering.  So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"

I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.

[Igor]

"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to.  To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering.  So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"

I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.

You honestly do not believe that an elected official who publicly promises a revolution (possibly an armed one) should be held accountable?

[Pegasus]

I'm saying Sutherland would have been far better suited educating himself in regards to the entire situation.  Instead he attacked the resource protectors (which probably were his supporters). Reality would not have provided him opportunity publicly stroke his ego.  That moment of Sutherlands ego stroking will have longstanding repercussions.

Especially if you make a huge mountain out of a molehill which Inslee and the media have done. Inslee has declared that this protest was rebellion and blamed Trump for inciting the protest. Orangeman bad, Jay wonderful.

Pegasus:  Perhaps your discussions regarding the politics of the Covid-19 closure would be a better fit in forum topic:  WDFW Considering closing hunting and fishing for the year!!!!!!!!

Maybe you should not post things that are meant to harm a specific individual. What's next? Posting his home address and his family's names?

[Pegasus]

"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to.  To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering.  So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"

I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.

You honestly do not believe that an elected official who publicly promises a revolution (possibly an armed one) should be held accountable?

It seems to me that many Democrats have been publicly calling for a revolution against Trump. Ever hear of the Resistance that tried to destroy him? The Resistance is alive and well in Western Washington.  Jay just doesn't like the tables turned where he is spotlighted.