DNR needs to fix ther mess

[bbarnes]

Any one who has been up the 83 rd,has seen it !!!!!!!! I'm all for clear cutting minus  the chemical, but the way they left our public land is criminal,dangerous and wasteful.i urge all members to voice there concerns,to the forester in this regin,also the forest practice board.In my opion its a forest fire waiting to happen and our tax dollars can't affod to pay for it.IF ITS A JOB WORTH DOING ITS A JOB WORTH DOING WELL!!!!!!!!!

[millerwheeler]

Take any pictures ??

[Buckhunter24]

Imo the dnr does a nice job with their timber program. There may be a piling contract out for bid if there is slash left in the unit. The majority I see are whole tree skidded with landing piles burned though.

[JimmyHoffa]

I've heard it is left like that for fish.  The slash and deadwood are supposed to slow down the water so it seeps down through the ground as opposed to flowing over the top.
Agree it's pretty crazy.  Trying to walk through DNR clear cuts can be a real chore.  Then you walk through a timber company cut and just coast right through--no tripping, tearing out pants, twisting a knee, etc.

[logger]

whats the name of the timber sale? isn't the 83 f.s?

[Naches Sportsman]

Let's see a pic of what you are complaining about. There are a lot of facets of logging operations and forestry many do not have knowledge about.

[buckfvr]

Most likely, they will get around to cleaning it up just going to be awhile.

[buckcanyonlodge]

State land down by fruitland was logged several years ago. What a mess. I found piles of good logs left in the woods away from the piles...they cut them and forgot to take them out. then the genius in charge went in and cut down all the trees from pencil size to full size trees to trim out the mistletoe. I mean they cut everything.  Even fir trees and trees not infected.They had inmates from Airway heights do the job. You still can not walk through where they logged. Animals completely stay out of the area. Lucky nothing has started a fire in the area as there would be no controlling it with all the material left on the forest floor.

[bbarnes]

If the weather stays nice I will get drone video,and photos.I'm not sure if it will do it justice.The amount of timber left behind and no firewood permits,not to mention the destroyed all roads.Its vitually impossible to walk into,Not to mention the amount of fuel left on the ground.All it will take is a lightning strike,or antifa and its over.I personally don't want my public lands left that way.

[cougforester]

Tagging along. Very curious as to how this actually looks.

[High Climber]

Any one who has been up the 83 rd,has seen it !!!!!!!! I'm all for clear cutting minus  the chemical, but the way they left our public land is criminal,dangerous and wasteful.i urge all members to voice there concerns,to the forester in this regin,also the forest practice board.In my opion its a forest fire waiting to happen and our tax dollars can't affod to pay for it.IF ITS A JOB WORTH DOING ITS A JOB WORTH DOING WELL!!!!!!!!!

Where is the 83 rd?

[hughjorgan]

If the weather stays nice I will get drone video,and photos.I'm not sure if it will do it justice.The amount of timber left behind and no firewood permits,not to mention the destroyed all roads.Its vitually impossible to walk into,Not to mention the amount of fuel left on the ground.All it will take is a lightning strike,or antifa and its over.I personally don't want my public lands left that way.

Just a thought but have you called the DNR and inquired about this cut?

[Buckhunter24]

Your descriptions are pretty far off from the dnr cuts I've seen and I've seen a lot of them. I looked at your post history and you seem to complain a lot. Post those pictures and you'll get some feedback with an explanation. What you're describing sounds like an active job, that either you didn't see the equipment or they pulled off for a bit and will be back to complete.

[bobcat]

Can you give me section, township, and range, so I can look it up?

[JimmyHoffa]

Your descriptions are pretty far off from the dnr cuts I've seen and I've seen a lot of them. I looked at your post history and you seem to complain a lot. Post those pictures and you'll get some feedback with an explanation. What you're describing sounds like an active job, that either you didn't see the equipment or they pulled off for a bit and will be back to complete.

Could it be region or side of the state?  Of the DNR cuts on the peninsula that I've been in, many are really tough to walk through.  They leave lots of trees spread around standing for birds, and about half blow down in the first year.

[wags]

Something doesn't smell quite right with this thread and one of the OP's other posts on a similar St. Helens area topic. I think there might be a personal agenda at play here.

[hunter399]

It's not in uncommon to leave some lands looking that way if there in the middle of nowhere.But public lands that border busy roadways ,trail systems,camp ground,ECT will look park like.Same could be said about road maintenance along with Alot of other issues. Just the way it is.

[bbarnes]

The cut is on the 83 rd off the 90 rd at the south side of mount saint Helens.This is in Skamania County below marble mountian snow park.

[Tbar]

Can you give me section, township, and range, so I can look it up?

T8N R6E 07 05E section4? Arctic Cobra?

[bushmantom]

I was a DNR engineer in that area for 5 years.  At the time there was only on section we managed.  Fruit Growers had some land ORM which is now Rayonier own most of the land on the north side of the Lewis.  PacifiCorp owned a few sections but they were managing it for wildlife as a part of the dam license.  I can probably go into for detail than you want about why a unit looks the way it does, why trees were, and some of the other reasons DNR does the things it does.

[bbarnes]

It's 662.988 acres and its location is 46.11882 - 112.18801 In addition please pm me your phone number.I've hunted all over SW washington on DNR land and I have never seen land left this way.Also I'm not whining I'm concerned as a public land owner.and don't have a axe to grind.i talked with lots of hunters and people enjoying the mountian this year,all of them had the same opinion.

[cougforester]

Let's see some pics!

[Alan K]

Looks like the Artic Cobra sale, and the expiration date isn't until the end of September 2021.

[bbarnes]

The project is complete I talked with DNR and the loggers.i will be up there this weekend to get photos and wind permitting some drone video

[elkboy]

Preliminary sale documentation is here:
https://www.dnr.wa.gov/publications/psl_ts_may19_arcticcobra_packet.pdf

Looks like retention harvest with aggregates (leave areas), dispersed single trees, a requirement for retention of large down woody debris >24", and of course the FPA-required riparian buffers. 

What is the specific concern?  Temporary road condition, damage to soils, slash abatement, damage to retention trees?  There are several people on this thread already with knowledge of forestry practices- I look forward to seeing discussion of this. 

[pianoman9701]

Your descriptions are pretty far off from the dnr cuts I've seen and I've seen a lot of them. I looked at your post history and you seem to complain a lot. Post those pictures and you'll get some feedback with an explanation. What you're describing sounds like an active job, that either you didn't see the equipment or they pulled off for a bit and will be back to complete.

He's talking about a specific cut. Have you seen it? Bruce's "complaints" are mainly out of concern for our wild ungulates and what's been happening to them, especially here in SW WA. He's been very active in the hoof disease issue and has spent hundreds of hours facing off with the state in that regard. It could well be an active job. Or it may be an irresponsible completion. But in any case, I know BBarnes and he posts and acts out of concern for our wildlife.

[Curly]

 

Just tagging to come back later to make sure I don't miss the pics.  And drone video should be pretty cool. 

Thanks in advance for getting pics, BBarnes.

[Buckhunter24]

Your descriptions are pretty far off from the dnr cuts I've seen and I've seen a lot of them. I looked at your post history and you seem to complain a lot. Post those pictures and you'll get some feedback with an explanation. What you're describing sounds like an active job, that either you didn't see the equipment or they pulled off for a bit and will be back to complete.

He's talking about a specific cut. Have you seen it? Bruce's "complaints" are mainly out of concern for our wild ungulates and what's been happening to them, especially here in SW WA. He's been very active in the hoof disease issue and has spent hundreds of hours facing off with the state in that regard. It could well be an active job. Or it may be an irresponsible completion. But in any case, I know BBarnes and he posts and acts out of concern for our wildlife.

Thats fine. I was noting a trend in his posts and wanted to speak up that I've seen the dnr do a good job on many sales. Looks like this sale had a lot of optional road construction that was required to be abandoned at the end of the sale. That could explain some of the road conditions. I will check back for pictures, im curious to see them.

[pianoman9701]

 

[pawpaw1934]

This may be the way of the future to save money on contracts. In the LT Murray areas over the last 2 years they (Wa State) have thinned trees and just left the mess. Ruined a lot of good hunting areas and created quiet a fire hazard. State foresters say " don't worry about it it will degrade over the next 10-20 years".

[bbarnes]

Update on photos went up Sunday,weather was foggy.iin addition my drone was attacked by 2 Hawks,almost lost it.I never had that happen before thankfully enough I didn't crash it.