I have two of the Savage 212 bolt guns, the newer one has a detachable clip which is an upgrade from the straight box magazine. They kick a bit, especially laying down. Don't feel a thing standing shooting at an animal. The worst were the Winchester XP3 3" 300 grain. The clerk in the store in Idaho warned me about them. I liked the Remington 3" 375 grain Core-Lokt Ultra. For some reason they quit making them. I haven't used them for deer but slug guns are hell on elk. For pure beauty, the Ithaca is that. Also expensive and heavy. Good U Tube video on accuracy and probably would not kick as much due to weight.