12-YEAR-OLD MAKES STUNNING 1,376-YARD SHOT ON BIG BULL ELK

[BULLBLASTER]

What about the guy who shoots a box of ammo a year and another half box at running deer at 200 yards? I agree we should stick to our limitations but that crap occurs at all skill levels

But what if I hit him with my last shot...will that make me instafamous?

I typically kill my animals with my last shot. Just like lost items are always found in the last place you look. 

[idaho guy]

I'm sure the spotters talked about the wind quite a bit.

This year in the mountains, @BULLBLASTER spent about 45 minutes watching the 800lb gorilla(wind).. Call was accurate and the deer was super dead. In that situation the hunters could have either been a "ways" away or about 28 feet for a shot.

Dead calm happens too, its the only reason I've taken a handful of shots 

 

How far in yards is a “ways” away 

 

   

Is that Sign language for around 1300 to 1400 yards ? 

[meatwhack]

The good thing about shots at this distance is the bullets don’t do much damage so if you miss the vitals there’s a decent chance the animal will survive at least for a while.

[Mtnwalker]

 

The good thing about shots at this distance is the bullets don’t do much damage so if you miss the vitals there’s a decent chance the animal will survive at least for a while.

Yeah, a 180 Berger at that distance only has a little more energy than a .44 mag at point blank. Definitely not enough to do any damage 

[ballpark]

Haters are going to hate

[buckcanyonlodge]

The good thing about shots at this distance is the bullets don’t do much damage so if you miss the vitals there’s a decent chance the animal will survive at least for a while.

Yeah, a 180 Berger at that distance only has a little more energy than a .44 mag at point blank. Definitely not enough to do any damage.

I know of a long distance shooter that shot at a buck 800 yds away at dusk. Did not see the animal drop and went back the next morning and found the buck laying there with it's jaw shot off ALIVE. Just because you don't hit the vitals does not mean the animal survives and does not suffer and die an agonizing death.

[Platensek-po]

The good thing about shots at this distance is the bullets don’t do much damage so if you miss the vitals there’s a decent chance the animal will survive at least for a while.

Yeah, a 180 Berger at that distance only has a little more energy than a .44 mag at point blank. Definitely not enough to do any damage.

I know of a long distance shooter that shot at a buck 800 yds away at dusk. Did not see the animal drop and went back the next morning and found the buck laying there with it's jaw shot off ALIVE. Just because you don't hit the vitals does not mean the animal survives and does not suffer and die an agonizing death.

Gross

[Karl Blanchard]

I saw a similar thing years ago in the wenas. Ive never had a rifle elk tag in this state but I used to go up with a group every year to skin and pack and have fun. It was the year they screwed up and opened all the cow tags on the opener instead of Wednesday like normal. I was on the east side of Hardy towards the top and I glassed up a group of cows coming over the ridge. As they hit the trees they started to slow. They walked right under a couple guys standing under a big ponderosa. The cows froze long enough for these two to get guns up. Not sure on distance but close enough that the guys and the elk were both in my 60x spotter. First shot blows the jaw off a cow. 12 or so shots later and no cows down. I watched those elk go across Hardy towards me and hunker down in the tall sage. Those guys never even attempted to go look for her. I was able to radio a party member with a cow tag and he killed that cow in her bed.

 Sloppy hunters are sloppy hunters regardless of distance. Those two never found a rest, never attempted any form of accuracy and absolutely did not follow up their shots to check for blood. First shot was only 75-125ish down the hill from them

[BULLBLASTER]

I'm sure the spotters talked about the wind quite a bit.

This year in the mountains, @BULLBLASTER spent about 45 minutes watching the 800lb gorilla(wind).. Call was accurate and the deer was super dead. In that situation the hunters could have either been a "ways" away or about 28 feet for a shot.

Dead calm happens too, its the only reason I've taken a handful of shots 

 

How far in yards is a “ways” away 

 

   

Is that Sign language for around 1300 to 1400 yards ? 

nah nothing like that. Thats outside my comfort zone by a substantial amount. If that was the case i would have kept the wind call to myself.

The shot i called for was further than i have personally shot an animal tho. I am decently confident in my wind calling ability to a point.

[Stein]

Any tips for calling wind across a canyon?  In my mind, that's probably the most tricky since you are trying to predict what the wind would be potentially a couple hundred feet above ground and I know from my occupation that it often changes dramatically and unpredictably very quickly when you get above just a few feet.

[BULLBLASTER]

Any tips for calling wind across a canyon?  In my mind, that's probably the most tricky since you are trying to predict what the wind would be potentially a couple hundred feet above ground and I know from my occupation that it often changes dramatically and unpredictably very quickly when you get above just a few feet.

Lots of experience...   

You have good cues both at your location and at the target location as far as direction and intensity of wind, you can also watch far above, below, or sidehill to the target (like 100 yards or further from the target) and if all indications agree you can make a good educated call. If all of the cues do not agree or tell you different things it is different. A guy can look at the wind direction at shooters location and make assumptions based on topography between there and the target. Terrain features will definitely bend wind to a degree both in horizontal and vertical planes. The shot that the jon referenced had a vertical wind hold and a horizontal wind hold, and without the lull at the time of the shot, that shot would not have been doable.

I am not at all claiming to be an expert, just trying to share what works for me and what i personally look for and at. For the record i do not condone shots like in this video, but it clearly worked for them that time.

[idaho guy]

I'm sure the spotters talked about the wind quite a bit.

This year in the mountains, @BULLBLASTER spent about 45 minutes watching the 800lb gorilla(wind).. Call was accurate and the deer was super dead. In that situation the hunters could have either been a "ways" away or about 28 feet for a shot.

Dead calm happens too, its the only reason I've taken a handful of shots 

 

How far in yards is a “ways” away 

 

   

Is that Sign language for around 1300 to 1400 yards ? 

nah nothing like that. Thats outside my comfort zone by a substantial amount. If that was the case i would have kept the wind call to myself.

The shot i called for was further than i have personally shot an animal tho. I am decently confident in my wind calling ability to a point.

 

  Fair enough! I did want to the yardage out of you though ha ha. I’m glad you got a personal best on a longer range shot. That always a rewarding hunt for me.

[Stein]

Any tips for calling wind across a canyon?  In my mind, that's probably the most tricky since you are trying to predict what the wind would be potentially a couple hundred feet above ground and I know from my occupation that it often changes dramatically and unpredictably very quickly when you get above just a few feet.

Lots of experience...   

You have good cues both at your location and at the target location as far as direction and intensity of wind, you can also watch far above, below, or sidehill to the target (like 100 yards or further from the target) and if all indications agree you can make a good educated call. If all of the cues do not agree or tell you different things it is different. A guy can look at the wind direction at shooters location and make assumptions based on topography between there and the target. Terrain features will definitely bend wind to a degree both in horizontal and vertical planes. The shot that the jon referenced had a vertical wind hold and a horizontal wind hold, and without the lull at the time of the shot, that shot would not have been doable.

I am not at all claiming to be an expert, just trying to share what works for me and what i personally look for and at. For the record i do not condone shots like in this video, but it clearly worked for them that time.

We have tons of towers all over the US and gather wind data at multiple heights.  Even on flat ground, windspeed is very different at 5m, 20m and 100m.  Depending on the weather and location, it's usually more higher, but not always and there can be significant shear in some locations.  Towers in complex terrain (not flat or obstacles like trees) can be extremely difficult to predict, hence the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get wind data before investing in an area.

I always thought a shot over a canyon would be the hardest to call because for a 1,000 yard shot, you only have indications of what the wind is doing the first maybe 30 yards and the last 30 yards, the 940 in between is a big mystery, probably higher, possibly much higher than what the trees and grass are showing.

It will probably only be a matter of time before LIDAR technology gets compact enough to have a unit you could carry into the field.  It's already replacing anemometers as the accuracy and technology has increased exponentially in the last 5-7 years.

[BULLBLASTER]

Any tips for calling wind across a canyon?  In my mind, that's probably the most tricky since you are trying to predict what the wind would be potentially a couple hundred feet above ground and I know from my occupation that it often changes dramatically and unpredictably very quickly when you get above just a few feet.

Lots of experience...   

You have good cues both at your location and at the target location as far as direction and intensity of wind, you can also watch far above, below, or sidehill to the target (like 100 yards or further from the target) and if all indications agree you can make a good educated call. If all of the cues do not agree or tell you different things it is different. A guy can look at the wind direction at shooters location and make assumptions based on topography between there and the target. Terrain features will definitely bend wind to a degree both in horizontal and vertical planes. The shot that the jon referenced had a vertical wind hold and a horizontal wind hold, and without the lull at the time of the shot, that shot would not have been doable.

I am not at all claiming to be an expert, just trying to share what works for me and what i personally look for and at. For the record i do not condone shots like in this video, but it clearly worked for them that time.

We have tons of towers all over the US and gather wind data at multiple heights.  Even on flat ground, windspeed is very different at 5m, 20m and 100m.  Depending on the weather and location, it's usually more higher, but not always and there can be significant shear in some locations.  Towers in complex terrain (not flat or obstacles like trees) can be extremely difficult to predict, hence the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get wind data before investing in an area.

I always thought a shot over a canyon would be the hardest to call because for a 1,000 yard shot, you only have indications of what the wind is doing the first maybe 30 yards and the last 30 yards, the 940 in between is a big mystery, probably higher, possibly much higher than what the trees and grass are showing.

It will probably only be a matter of time before LIDAR technology gets compact enough to have a unit you could carry into the field.  It's already replacing anemometers as the accuracy and technology has increased exponentially in the last 5-7 years.

I dunno about any of that equipment you talked about, i just like to go shoot and sometimes its windy.  At the ranges i am confident at i typically have a window of a few mph at least to keep on target.

[Stein]

At 1400 how much drift does each 1 mph give, maybe 6"?  That's a tough one for sure.  I'm decent out to 300 yards on a flat range.

LIDAR works like radar, but uses a laser.  It picks up tiny dust particles in the air and can tell you how fast the wind is blowing.  It's kind of like a cop's handheld radar except it instead of checking the speed of cars, it is independently tracking millions of dust particles from close up to far away. 

Normally they are on the ground pointing up and you can get windspeed at any elevation.  They are also mounted to the nose of wind turbines looking forward and can tell the windspeed at any horizontal distance.  Software then takes the data and spits out whatever you want to know.

Cool technology, if you had one mounted to the top of a scope with an electronic trigger and compensating crosshairs, you could be as lethal as the movies.