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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2021, 08:08:07 PM »
I’m not an electrician, just an electrical engineer,
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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2021, 08:27:48 PM »
CP's leading you right.  15A is a huge refrigeration load, you couldn't run that on any 15 A circuit in your house as it would trip every time it turns on.  Most modern refrigeration is actually pretty tiny, so you might be talking about some crazy quick freeze unit or maybe it's 15 A on the DC side?  I have a chest freezer that draws 3 A.

The one thing to consider is materials.  120 x 15 = 1800 Watts.  On the DC side, you have 1800 W / 12 V = 150 A, and that assumes no startup load.  Often the inverters are not right next to the battery, so you will need at least a #3 or larger (probably #2) for each unit, so 4 #2 conductors on the DC side.  In addition to some type of mechanical protection as well as a 200 a fuse or CB right off the battery unless you want to do some impromptu welding.  To rig the cables you need the right size eye terminals & shrink tube as well as a crimping tool or hammer type.

I don't work on vans, but the closer to the battery you can put them the better.  If you are running them off a battery bank, all the better, put them right next to each other and run a smaller cable back to the engine, most alternators are in the 90-120A max range and one set of slightly smaller conductors could feed the battery vs to sets of larger conductors.

Honestly, depending on what they have going on I would look at an alternate solution like a generator.  3600W is going to produce a ton of heat and that's just the inverters which will be added to the heat of the refrigeration units.  A residential space heater is usually about 1200 W max real power, so the inverters are like 3 heaters and the refrigeration units would be at least another 3 heaters, all in an enclosed space the size of a van.

Me thinks they don't really draw 1800 W each.  If so, be prepared for a bunch of heat and money in cables & batteries.

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2021, 08:42:51 PM »
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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2021, 09:09:07 PM »
Hold on using a lifeline and phoning a friend :chuckle:

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2021, 09:10:01 PM »
Hold on using a lifeline and phoning a friend :chuckle:

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2021, 09:42:41 PM »
I have no clue which vaccine it is.

I also think this is over our head with 1 hour notice.  Going to probably call first thing in the morning and tell them we’re bowing out. Not sure anyone will be able to make this happen in 1 day with no notice.
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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2021, 09:46:33 PM »
Probably a good call, you don't want to be the guy on the news tomorrow night.

I would at least ask for some additional details, exact equipment they have, how long they need it to run, will the van always be running or how long will it be parked, etc.

It's actually a fairly straight forward project, but the stakes are high and the details and timeframe are low which always seems to make things interesting.

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2021, 09:49:19 PM »
Probably a good call, you don't want to be the guy on the news tomorrow night.

I would at least ask for some additional details, exact equipment they have, how long they need it to run, will the van always be running or how long will it be parked, etc.

It's actually a fairly straight forward project, but the stakes are high and the details and timeframe are low which always seems to make things interesting.
Straight forward for an electrician and an auto tech working together, parts and whatever else we need ordered in advance, some advanced notice it was happening, more specifics on the equipment being used, the list goes on.
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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2021, 09:54:54 PM »
Hey, we only knew this was coming for a year or so.   :peep:

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2021, 10:03:49 PM »
Not a short notice project to get right. If I were trying to run that type of load I'd be looking at a setup that could run off a generator while mobile and plug in while parked. I saw others had mentioned genset also.

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2021, 10:05:29 PM »
Throw the fridges in a uhaul with a generator - golden!

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2021, 10:08:09 PM »
It's not the cheapest option, but you could buy a couple Yeti's.   :chuckle:

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2021, 11:02:27 PM »
Hold on using a lifeline and phoning a friend :chuckle:

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A 'Rona Rig running around with a generator on the bumper and a chest freezer in the back.

State inspected and approved to boot!   :tup:

Err'y body funny!  :chuckle:

It's true, I have a stamp of approval on my portable freezer game - but the stakes are much higher with the program the 'Lope is describing.

As mentioned, 15A freezer load on 110AC is an insane load, and not likely the actual scenario. What all systems like this need to be sized for is max start capacity and continuous run loads.  They are vastly different.

A normal modern consumer grade chest freezer pulls about 2.5 amps running (no matter the cubic feet), but can have a start-up load of 8-9 amps.  That is the initial load to get the motor turning and the compressor pumping.   Some higher end models have a "soft start", which slowly starts the electric motor and reduces the peak amperage draw on startup, but that is not something found on most consumer grade freezers.

If running multiple freezers, say three total, a 15amp 110AC circuit (ie., a 2000W genset) is plenty to run all three - but it can't start all three simultaneously.  Or even two at once.  You'd have to bring them online one at a time through some sort of switching, either manually or using a logic board, and prevent simultaneous startup during running.

To idiot proof a 3 freezer set up, you'd need a genny or inverter capable of handling the startup load of all three at once - a 4950 watt supply.  Since heat increases resistance, I'd go for a 5500 Watt genny or inverter. 

I used a 5500 watt genny to run two chest freezers and a commercial-grade freezer trailer during the winter fish sale, and never popped a breaker.  I don't think I would have had a problem with a 4000 watt genny, but why risk it?

If using an inverter, you'd probably need to get a 5KW peak supply inverter with a 100% duty cycle at 2000 watts.  It would handle the startup of all three compressors at once and easily run all three continuously.

That's my 2 amps worth, anyway.
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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2021, 04:03:47 AM »
Hey, we only knew this was coming for a year or so.   :peep:

:yeah:

Still good info here.

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Re: Need an electrician
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2021, 04:07:27 AM »
Hold on using a lifeline and phoning a friend :chuckle:

@skillet

A 'Rona Rig running around with a generator on the bumper and a chest freezer in the back.

State inspected and approved to boot!   :tup:

Err'y body funny!  :chuckle:

It's true, I have a stamp of approval on my portable freezer game - but the stakes are much higher with the program the 'Lope is describing.

As mentioned, 15A freezer load on 110AC is an insane load, and not likely the actual scenario. What all systems like this need to be sized for is max start capacity and continuous run loads.  They are vastly different.

A normal modern consumer grade chest freezer pulls about 2.5 amps running (no matter the cubic feet), but can have a start-up load of 8-9 amps.  That is the initial load to get the motor turning and the compressor pumping.   Some higher end models have a "soft start", which slowly starts the electric motor and reduces the peak amperage draw on startup, but that is not something found on most consumer grade freezers.

If running multiple freezers, say three total, a 15amp 110AC circuit (ie., a 2000W genset) is plenty to run all three - but it can't start all three simultaneously.  Or even two at once.  You'd have to bring them online one at a time through some sort of switching, either manually or using a logic board, and prevent simultaneous startup during running.

To idiot proof a 3 freezer set up, you'd need a genny or inverter capable of handling the startup load of all three at once - a 4950 watt supply.  Since heat increases resistance, I'd go for a 5500 Watt genny or inverter. 

I used a 5500 watt genny to run two chest freezers and a commercial-grade freezer trailer during the winter fish sale, and never popped a breaker.  I don't think I would have had a problem with a 4000 watt genny, but why risk it?

If using an inverter, you'd probably need to get a 5KW peak supply inverter with a 100% duty cycle at 2000 watts.  It would handle the startup of all three compressors at once and easily run all three continuously.

That's my 2 amps worth, anyway.


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