2022 Ford Lightning Discussion

[Mudman]

You all know Toyota is the smart one and wayyy ahead of the rest???  They are pulling the plug so to speak on electric new models.  Toyota is going Hydrogen.  It was always about hydro for the future and good news is it still has a go fast engine!!!!  My next buy will be hydro.  EV's will be worthless.  Tesla bankrupt..  Pull your stocks.

[lamrith]

We have two Pro's at work along with 2 mach e's. I work for the State so we are mandated to have them per Inslee's orders.  They are comfortable and go fast but the range is 170 miles (cars are about 280).  Trucks take a lot longer to recharge then Mustangs.  I can't get used to driving a vehicle that doesn't have engine sound

The trucks, even SR like you have are a  bigger battery than the MachE.  70Kw vs 98Kw

What sort of chargers are you running?  Hopefully hardwired 240 @ 50A, that way you get the max 11-11.5Kw they can take.

How have they been working overall for your crew?

[brew]

Not sure the wiring...I'm no electrician, sorry.  I can ask.  They work great for our applications.  We have staff that drive the Mustangs going into the community to various places.  Our maintenance staff periodically use the trucks around campus and I normally take one out daily to check on things and pick up items that cost too much to be delivered.  Like I stated they work for us because we don't drive a lot of miles per day but I can't get used to driving a vehicle you can't hear running.  Haven't tried the trucks yet but if you have those Mustangs in cruise controll they are self steering as long as there are fog lines on the road and you touch the steering wheel and not turn it

[Mudman]

[bearpaw]

You all know Toyota is the smart one and wayyy ahead of the rest???  They are pulling the plug so to speak on electric new models.  Toyota is going Hydrogen.  It was always about hydro for the future and good news is it still has a go fast engine!!!!  My next buy will be hydro.  EV's will be worthless.  Tesla bankrupt..  Pull your stocks.

  I agree, hydrogen has so much more potential and practicality.

[JDHasty]

I purchase our vehicles to serve me, not for me to serve the vehicle.  The “fast charging” station in Eburg is at Taco Bell and the kids likes them some Taco Bell, so I have an opportunity to observe the action at a charging station where travelers are wanting to get somewhere.  The attitude on the faces of EV owners has changed markedly as they have gone from being a novelty and the ultimate in prog virtue signaling has morphed into a damnable nuisance. 

My inclination is that for anyone who leaves town regularly to travel somewhere the hangers on to this technology that never was going to serve that purpose efficiently are even becoming frustrated.  For a person who rarely, or never, leaves town they can be a valid option.  For a person who travels around the region… I can pay for more gasoline, but if there is any way to buy a ten additional hours to fit inside the time I have to a week’s vacation to make up for the wasted time lost to sitting around waiting for my vehicle to charge, it’s a well kept secret. 

[Stein]

I'm not sure what problem hydrogen solves.  It's $5-8 a gallon equivalent, still requires a battery propulsion system, creates significant explosion and leak risks, is an incredibly complex system that's difficult to work on and requires completely new service infrastructure and there are a fraction of even the EV charging stations.  It seems to be combining the worst characteristics of other vehicles.  Cost prohibitive to run, hard to fuel, complex and hard to repair.

If I had to guess, a combo of gas/diesel and electric will be around for quite a while.  It's about the perfect mix we can currently make.

[jackelope]

I'm not sure what problem hydrogen solves.  It's $5-8 a gallon equivalent, still requires a battery propulsion system, creates significant explosion and leak risks, is an incredibly complex system that's difficult to work on and requires completely new service infrastructure and there are a fraction of even the EV charging stations.  It seems to be combining the worst characteristics of other vehicles.  Cost prohibitive to run, hard to fuel, complex and hard to repair.

If I had to guess, a combo of gas/diesel and electric will be around for quite a while.  It's about the perfect mix we can currently make.

Kinda where I was at.

I also thought this was a thread about the Lightning, not about the downfalls of EV’s and the upsides of an alternate fuel that mostly doesn’t exist yet. Apparently anything is better than electric, even if it doesn’t exist yet. Or… did I miss all the hydrogen powered vehicles on the road and all the hydrogen filling stations?  How’s it possible to compare and say hydrogen is far superior when it doesn’t exist yet?
I’m not pimping EV. In fact I’m literally almost arguing with my wife as I type this because she wants one. I am wondering how we can honestly say hydrogen is better when it doesn’t exist yet though.
Im a fan of hybrids.

[Alchase]

I am against any “because we say so” Social Engineering. EVs are not the answer. How can they be when they leave the possibility of ownership out for the majority of our population.
Until every apartment, condo, and house at the very least comes with a charger. And the charging technology is comparable in times and availability to a gas fill up. It won’t be practical for most people. If it was a better option there would be not need for ridiculous mandates.

As jackalope said, Hybrids are a much viable “option” emphasis on option. Provide a better option the. Gas or diesel, and people would jump on it in a heartbeat. Try to beat us into submission with mandates, will never work.
Democrats never seem to figure this out.

[jackelope]

Every apartment/house/condo has an outlet and that’s all you need because the cars all come with 120v chargers. So waiting for every one to have a charger isn’t really a necessity assuming the residences run on electricity.

[MR5x5]

I'm not sure what problem hydrogen solves.  It's $5-8 a gallon equivalent, still requires a battery propulsion system, creates significant explosion and leak risks, is an incredibly complex system that's difficult to work on and requires completely new service infrastructure and there are a fraction of even the EV charging stations.  It seems to be combining the worst characteristics of other vehicles.  Cost prohibitive to run, hard to fuel, complex and hard to repair.

If I had to guess, a combo of gas/diesel and electric will be around for quite a while.  It's about the perfect mix we can currently make.

Kinda where I was at.

I also thought this was a thread about the Lightning, not about the downfalls of EV’s and the upsides of an alternate fuel that mostly doesn’t exist yet. Apparently anything is better than electric, even if it doesn’t exist yet. Or… did I miss all the hydrogen powered vehicles on the road and all the hydrogen filling stations?  How’s it possible to compare and say hydrogen is far superior when it doesn’t exist yet?
I’m not pimping EV. In fact I’m literally almost arguing with my wife as I type this because she wants one. I am wondering how we can honestly say hydrogen is better when it doesn’t exist yet though.
Im a fan of hybrids.

Hydrogen, either used in an IC engine or fuel cell format is a long way away, if ever for passenger vehicles.  Best solution would be environmentally safe batteries, sodium based perhaps, combined with home, or very local, electrical power sources, i.e. micro nukes or high efficiency solar.  All of these technologies are currently under development.  It will be interesting to see how it evolves over the next 30+ yrs.

For state of the art as far as Hydrogen EV goes check the link below.  Cool local company.  Currently gaseous hydrogen powered transitioning to liquid over the next few years.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90837208/the-worlds-largest-zero-emission-truck-is-more-than-two-stories-tall

[MR5x5]

Every apartment/house/condo has an outlet and that’s all you need because the cars all come with 120v chargers. So waiting for every one to have a charger isn’t really a necessity assuming the residences run on electricity.

Not really.  If projected/desired adoption levels of EVs happen, it will require a doubling, at least, of the entire electrical grid.  You can only push so much juice down the wires.

[Alchase]

Every apartment/house/condo has an outlet and that’s all you need because the cars all come with 120v chargers. So waiting for every one to have a charger isn’t really a necessity assuming the residences run on electricity.

Not really.  If projected/desired adoption levels of EVs happen, it will require a doubling, at least, of the entire electrical grid.  You can only push so much juice down the wires.

Very few with the acception of the higher end apartments and condos even hav designated parking, let alone parking near an outlet.

[jackelope]

Every apartment/house/condo has an outlet and that’s all you need because the cars all come with 120v chargers. So waiting for every one to have a charger isn’t really a necessity assuming the residences run on electricity.

Not really.  If projected/desired adoption levels of EVs happen, it will require a doubling, at least, of the entire electrical grid.  You can only push so much juice down the wires.

Very few with the acception of the higher end apartments and condos even hav designated parking, let alone parking near an outlet.

There’s a time and a place for all of this. Mandates aren’t the answer. EV’s have a place. They’re definitely not for everyone.

PS my sister in law in a mid price range condo in Everett has an EV, a designated parking space and access to an outlet.

[jackelope]

I'm not sure what problem hydrogen solves.  It's $5-8 a gallon equivalent, still requires a battery propulsion system, creates significant explosion and leak risks, is an incredibly complex system that's difficult to work on and requires completely new service infrastructure and there are a fraction of even the EV charging stations.  It seems to be combining the worst characteristics of other vehicles.  Cost prohibitive to run, hard to fuel, complex and hard to repair.

If I had to guess, a combo of gas/diesel and electric will be around for quite a while.  It's about the perfect mix we can currently make.

Kinda where I was at.

I also thought this was a thread about the Lightning, not about the downfalls of EV’s and the upsides of an alternate fuel that mostly doesn’t exist yet. Apparently anything is better than electric, even if it doesn’t exist yet. Or… did I miss all the hydrogen powered vehicles on the road and all the hydrogen filling stations?  How’s it possible to compare and say hydrogen is far superior when it doesn’t exist yet?
I’m not pimping EV. In fact I’m literally almost arguing with my wife as I type this because she wants one. I am wondering how we can honestly say hydrogen is better when it doesn’t exist yet though.
Im a fan of hybrids.

Hydrogen, either used in an IC engine or fuel cell format is a long way away, if ever for passenger vehicles.  Best solution would be environmentally safe batteries, sodium based perhaps, combined with home, or very local, electrical power sources, i.e. micro nukes or high efficiency solar.  All of these technologies are currently under development.  It will be interesting to see how it evolves over the next 30+ yrs.

For state of the art as far as Hydrogen EV goes check the link below.  Cool local company.  Currently gaseous hydrogen powered transitioning to liquid over the next few years.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90837208/the-worlds-largest-zero-emission-truck-is-more-than-two-stories-tall

That’s my point, regarding to promotion of hydrogen in the posts above.