Year round Bull Elk season

[OutHouse]

makes to great management , sure its there right . but what about all the other cuts and tax breaks that they get that they didn't before , time for things to be adjusted .

They try to "adjust" things all the time but when the government goes to court with the Yakamas they get beat like an old drum nearly every time. Government has buyer's remorse on the treaties.

Depends on the specific case, but in a large number of major cases it is actually the United States stepping in on behalf of the Tribe to enforce their treaties on an errant state...like OR, WA, or more recently WY.  Its not the Yakamas beating the 'government'...its the United States taking a belt to the States on behalf of the Yakamas (and other tribes). 

Also...the US Congress has plenary power over tribes and can adjust any aspect of tribal treaties they want...Congress could terminate every tribal treaty tomorrow if they so desired.

All of that's probably correct. I was just thinking from recollection over the years it seems like the Yakamas win a lot when they go to court.

[Rainier10]

Last year I had 50 calves on my place in July, by December that number was down to 10-12.  This year I have 50 more calves and I am going to assume that by December of this year I will see the same reduction.  I would bet a ton of money that predators are taking them out not hunters.

[trophyhunt]

Predators can easily be blamed, I’d even say they are the #1 reason our herds are dwindling. It’s too bad our Wdfw, liberal Government and Tribes, can’t get together and fix this! The Dems do what ever it takes to not ruffle feathers, we need someone with balls running our state.  If everyone on both sides of the aisle put their heads together, it would be easy to turn it all around! 

[Rainier10]

Plenty of blame to go around for sure.  I totally agree that if this was a priority for anyone other than just hunters it could be fixed.  Unfortunately our wildlife always pay the price.

[emac]

I don't think it is right but it is their right.  (See what I did there?)

I will say that I think there is just as big of a problem from the non native side.  I think if you stop illegal harvest by non natives you would see game numbers increase.  Once we get people to follow the rules and seasons in place we can look at the abuse by tribal members exercising their rights.

I look at it this way.  Everyone says our moose populations are hurting and yet every member on here that draws a moose tag this year is going to do everything they can to harvest a moose.  Every permit holder last year and the year before did the same thing.  Why?  Because they had a tag, they had the right and they wanted to fill that tag, exercise that right before their were no more moose to hunt or the opportunity was taken away.

Our elk are in the same spot.  Is it because of tribal overharvest or is it because everyone that has an OTC spike tag or special permit bull or cow tag this year is going to do their best to fill it?  If people feel so strongly about the numbers of elk and moose we have don't fill your tag.  People that are against hunting do it all the time. They buy tags they never intend to use.  Control what you can.  Right now there is nothing that you can do about tribal rights. ( I did it again) 

You can control what you do, make the personal decision to not exercise your right to harvest an elk OTC or with that coveted special permit but don't hunt and then complain that someone else is exercising their right.  Don't exercise yours and someone should exercise theirs less so you can enjoy yours more.

You're joking right? Are you seriously trying to compare tribal hunters having an open season on elk all year to a once in a lifetime moose tag?  You really think more elk are poached by non natives then what natives shoot? The only thing you've said that I agree with is people will hunt because they can. Exactly why tribes need stricter seasons. It takes a non native years to draw a tag and a native can shoot big bulls every year. Non natives are restricted so we have elk to hunt for future generations.  Doesn't work when another group of people slaughter them.

I'm not joking at all.  If everyone that had a moose tag this year passed the number of moose would go up as long as the habitat could handle it.  I 100% believe that just as many elk are shot by poachers as by the few tribal members that shoot multiple elk.  There are those tribal members that only shoot one a year and many tribal members that never shoot an elk. If we are comparing natives that overharvest and non natives that overharvest I am positive the non native over harvesters take way more animals.

If you truly think our deer and elk are on life support quit hunting deer and elk.  Spend your entire season shooting predators.  You can kill two bears, one cougar and as many coyotes as you want in this state.  If every hunter that thinks our deer and elk are on life support just took a couple years off hunting deer and elk and only shot predators we would have tons of wildlife.

I actually spend a ton of time predator hunting. You're an idiot if you think tribal hunting isn't an issue in the blues. They shot more bulls in there last year than we are even given permits for in the short seasons we have.

You would have to add up permit numbers for probably 10 years to add up to what they take in a year

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Are you adding up permit numbers to compare what predators take each year or the natives? I’m pretty sure if you look at predations numbers they will total more than the native harvest and we keep introducing new predators.

I know that predators take more than tribal.  That's all predators do is hunt 365.  The tribal harvest in the blues is a big number though add that on top of predators and em surprised there are any elk left.

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[Rainier10]

It really is amazing.  I am not familiar with the blues but it sounds like there are a ton of predators, bears and cougars and now wolves are really taking hold.  I have also heard there are multiple tribes from multiple states that hunt that corner of the state.  Throw on top the poaching and damage permits it is just more than that herd can survive.  Pretty sad really.

[gaddy]

It really is sad. Should have seen it 35 years ago.

[pianoman9701]

...And it should be noted that some of the tribes practice predator management when the state doesn't, like the Colville Tribe, for example. They see wolves and they shoot them. It's pretty easy to jump to conclusions when seeing something like a bull (or several) in the back of a truck in mid-June. But I try to keep in mind that there are many tribes in our state who actively practice fish and wildlife conservation to keep those populations healthy. In addition, there are native individuals who act outside of their tribal guidelines. Broad strokes of the brush don't help either side of this issue.

[Rainier10]

  Well said Pman

[trophyhunt]

The Colville tribe is the example of management, the yakamas, how not to manage. I’ve always hoped the colville tribe would set a good example and the rest would follow. Maybe someday when the herd numbers get even worse??

[hughjorgan]

The Colville tribe is the example of management, the yakamas, how not to manage. I’ve always hoped the colville tribe would set a good example and the rest would follow. Maybe someday when the herd numbers get even worse??

Who’s to say the yakamas don’t manage well? I bet they have plenty of trophy class animals on the Rez since they seem to like to hunt off the Rez so much.

[trophyhunt]

The Colville tribe is the example of management, the yakamas, how not to manage. I’ve always hoped the colville tribe would set a good example and the rest would follow. Maybe someday when the herd numbers get even worse??

Who’s to say the yakamas don’t manage well? I bet they have plenty of trophy class animals on the Rez since they seem to like to hunt off the Rez so much.

Well, zero limits on deer and elk to start with sounds like great management.  And then ignore their own rules on selling meat, and then not reporting numbers to Wdfw. Just to name a few things that help w management.  I have a feeling the hunting is better in the colockum, and the YTC, that’s a favorite spot for some.

[emac]

The Colville tribe is the example of management, the yakamas, how not to manage. I’ve always hoped the colville tribe would set a good example and the rest would follow. Maybe someday when the herd numbers get even worse??

Who’s to say the yakamas don’t manage well? I bet they have plenty of trophy class animals on the Rez since they seem to like to hunt off the Rez so much.

Well, zero limits on deer and elk to start with sounds like great management.  And then ignore their own rules on selling meat, and then not reporting numbers to Wdfw. Just to name a few things that help w management.  I have a feeling the hunting is better in the colockum, and the YTC, that’s a favorite spot for some.

That's why the hunt off the rez because they have pretty much depleted the animals on the rez

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[Whitefoot]

The Colville tribe is the example of management, the yakamas, how not to manage. I’ve always hoped the colville tribe would set a good example and the rest would follow. Maybe someday when the herd numbers get even worse??

Who’s to say the yakamas don’t manage well? I bet they have plenty of trophy class animals on the Rez since they seem to like to hunt off the Rez so much.

Well, zero limits on deer and elk to start with sounds like great management.  And then ignore their own rules on selling meat, and then not reporting numbers to Wdfw. Just to name a few things that help w management.  I have a feeling the hunting is better in the colockum, and the YTC, that’s a favorite spot for some.

That's why the hunt off the rez because they have pretty much depleted the animals on the rez

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Ceded land is considered the rez and the rez is doing just fine. 

[hughjorgan]

The Colville tribe is the example of management, the yakamas, how not to manage. I’ve always hoped the colville tribe would set a good example and the rest would follow. Maybe someday when the herd numbers get even worse??

Who’s to say the yakamas don’t manage well? I bet they have plenty of trophy class animals on the Rez since they seem to like to hunt off the Rez so much.

Well, zero limits on deer and elk to start with sounds like great management.  And then ignore their own rules on selling meat, and then not reporting numbers to Wdfw. Just to name a few things that help w management.  I have a feeling the hunting is better in the colockum, and the YTC, that’s a favorite spot for some.

That's why the hunt off the rez because they have pretty much depleted the animals on the rez

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Ceded land is considered the rez and the rez is doing just fine.

If that’s the case why don’t you manage some of the wolves for us.