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BrandenI would think you may be on the wrong forum if your main concern is humane treatment of animals. We as hunters shoot animals, we try to shoot well but some die right away, some crawl off and die, some have a slow and painful recovery. This is reality. Coyotes chew the hind quarters on deer until they bleed to death, this too is reality. There is nothing humane or pretty when it comes to predators or life of animals in the natural world. It is pretty much an "eat" or "be eaten" world and if you think otherwise you are severely mislead by too many disney movies. If a dog catches a coyote and kills it, so what.........that dog has done nothing to the coyote that the same coyote has not done a hundred times himself. Coyote Hunting with dogs is as diverse as bird hunting with dogs. Coyote hunting with dogs is no more inhumane than bird hunting with dogs since the dogs catch and kill some of the birds, no more inhumane than fishing where worms are skewed on a hook and fish suffocate to death when taken out of water or they are beaten on the head with a miniture baseball bat, no more inhumane than throwing a live lobster or other shellfish in boiling water, and definitely no more inhumane than the treatment any wildlife prey recieves from a coyote. Someone had asked how dogs hunt coyotes earlier, I will post this again?? While there may be another type of dog I am not familiar with, this covers most types.Decoy Dogs - These dogs are trained to run out a couple hundred yards or so, get the attention of the coyote, and run back to the owner, who hopefully can hit the ensueing coyote. I have never heard of a decoy dog killing a coyote.Hounds - These dogs pursue a coyote in much the same way as pursuing a bear, except the coyote usually has more endurance than most dogs, and even most bear. Because the coyote generally makes very large circles, the hunter can figure out where to hopefully ambush the coyote for an effective shot. Hounds generally pursue and sometimes bay coyotes there are a few dogs that may kill one but it is not the usual method of kill.Beagles - Some guys like using beagles or similar small dogs. The chase is usually slower and coyotes will often run a smaller circle. Same method, the hunter tries to get himself into a good ambush spot hoping for a shot. I have never heard of a beagle killing a coyote.Catch Dogs - These are often greyhounds or a similar type dog. They have great eyesight and speed. The hunter must first locate a coyote that the dogs can get sight of, they then have a chance of catching the coyote and killing it.
Bearpaw, I agree with you that there are plenty of instances in hunting and fishing situations where things don't go as humanely as we would like. I do think though that we should do our everything we can to make the kill quick and as painless as possible. If I were to wound an animal I would definitely not just say oh well that is just part of the sport.The topic of this thread is You Can No Longer Hunt Coyote With Hounds... I don't see what using a decoy dog has to do with that. If the decoy method is covered under the same law then that sucks. That seems like a very good way to hunt coyotes and I would love to see it done.I hunt birds with pointing dogs and I don't feel that it is it anything like hound hunting. If we have a dog that tries to chase or catch the birds then we have some more training to do. I also don't think all kinds of hound hunting are bad.I will say that if there is a problem coyote that is going after livestock or causing some other problems the law about hound hunting them should not apply. One last thought for now.....I think we should all be concerned about the humane treatment of animals and do everything we can to keep our hunting methods as ethical as we can.
wow I can't believe the people that call themselves "HUNTERS" today. I am in no way condoning mistreatment of animals,but look at the way all of the apex predator kill it is not to humane is it? people today are just to PC . I wish they would all go out and play survivor in the wild.with the coyotes and the wolves and see how there PC opinions change .
Only a moron would want to kill someone because they have a differant opinion.
Branden, you seem to be very arrogant and high on yourself. division among hunters is not a good thing but you don't seem to get that.I don't see you as a hunter other hunters could count on if needed. thats too bad.
Quote from: Justin C. on May 26, 2009, 03:50:11 PM Only a moron would want to kill someone because they have a differant opinion.Only a moron would want to take away another persons recreation!
Quote from: granola/hippyslayer on May 26, 2009, 01:17:17 PMwow I can't believe the people that call themselves "HUNTERS" today. I am in no way condoning mistreatment of animals,but look at the way all of the apex predator kill it is not to humane is it? people today are just to PC . I wish they would all go out and play survivor in the wild.with the coyotes and the wolves and see how there PC opinions change . Are you saying that because someone disagrees with a certain hunting method that they are a meadow muffin or tree hugger of some sort?LOL Branden was in a wilderness for a month strait one time hunting doll sheep in AK as a guide. Some of that time was spent in Grizz and wolf country solo with no weapon. He also had wolverines in camp causing trouble a lot. It could be that you are the ignorant one.Also I find your screen name to be very ignorant. Only a moron would want to kill someone because they have a differant opinion.