Main stem lower Columbia River

[Blacklab]

I never said anything about dams. The subject was kill nets on the main stem Columbia river. Theres know doubt dams have crippled the fishery. I agree 100%😉🥃🇺🇸. Allowing non selective nets on a system that has 7 endangered species in it. Is totally Irresponsible let alone negligent. But then again that’s our educated gooberment.

[JimmyHoffa]

No their not! Why Should we dump millions and millions of dollars to help bring back a fishery that we destroyed. Then turn around and let commercial gillnetting into the main stem river. I believe there are seven endangered species listed on the Columbia river it’s asinine. Shoveling *censored* against the tide 101.

Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia.  It was the dams.  If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.

I remember reading a while back that the Columbia had some historical times of being overfished such that stocks were so depleted they had to bring in hatcheries, this was pre-dam.  When the railroads finally got a good system in place to ship salmon east (late 1880's/1890's), fishing and canneries sprang up and virtually eliminated a huge amount of fish from the Columbia and Puget sound (netting and fish wheels).  The next time was after the refrigerated rail cars came about and people started shipping whole salmon (I think it was early 1930's).  Salmon runs got so low the hatcheries had to expand.

[ipkus]

Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia.  It was the dams.  If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.

The salmon runs were destroyed by commercial fishing before Bonneville (the first dam) was constructed.

If you can’t acknowledge that you are ignoring history and can’t contribute to a meaningful conversation.

[lokidog]

Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia.  It was the dams.  If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.

The salmon runs were destroyed by commercial fishing before Bonneville (the first dam) was constructed.

If you can’t acknowledge that you are ignoring history and can’t contribute to a meaningful conversation.

 

[plugger]

Seems there are hundreds of other rivers on the west side that don't have much for salmon and steelhead runs any more. No dams, no walleye or bass, not even hundreds of sea lions gobbling up the fish. lots are closed to fishing. What do all these rivers have in common, Gill nets and ocean conditions. Just saying.

[Blacklab]

Seems there are hundreds of other rivers on the west side that don't have much for salmon and steelhead runs any more. No dams, no walleye or bass, not even hundreds of sea lions gobbling up the fish. lots are closed to fishing. What do all these rivers have in common, Gill nets and ocean conditions. Just saying.

Educated gooberment is at the top. Turn our hatcheries into a private business and run it as such That could be a great start to rebuilding.

[2MANY]

Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia.  It was the dams.  If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.

The salmon runs were destroyed by commercial fishing before Bonneville (the first dam) was constructed.

If you can’t acknowledge that you are ignoring history and can’t contribute to a meaningful conversation.

 

Man has destroyed the fish runs.
Period.
Before there was conversation there was fish.
And I mean it.

[Skyvalhunter]

both white man and natives?

[buckfvr]

Its been spiraling down the drain for so long now everyone is just trying to get all they can before its over....just like the good ol days, over.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Seems there are hundreds of other rivers on the west side that don't have much for salmon and steelhead runs any more. No dams, no walleye or bass, not even hundreds of sea lions gobbling up the fish. lots are closed to fishing. What do all these rivers have in common, Gill nets and ocean conditions. Just saying.

There is no gillnetting south of the Columbia River. How many of those rivers have salmon runs that are in trouble?  Conversly, in Alaska There are thousands of gillnets all over the State and with proper management Alaska has 100s of millions of salmon return every year.

[Platensek-po]

Seems there are hundreds of other rivers on the west side that don't have much for salmon and steelhead runs any more. No dams, no walleye or bass, not even hundreds of sea lions gobbling up the fish. lots are closed to fishing. What do all these rivers have in common, Gill nets and ocean conditions. Just saying.

There is no gillnetting south of the Columbia River. How many of those rivers have salmon runs that are in trouble?  Conversly, in Alaska There are thousands of gillnets all over the State and with proper management Alaska has 100s of millions of salmon return every year.

You know what those Alaskan rivers don’t have? Dams

[Stein]

And large scale farming, and a bunch of concrete all around them, not to mention roads & runways with runoff, factories, buildings, ......

With the big C, I think it's hard to point the finger at any one thing, it's a huge combination that all add up.  I'm not a fan of drifting nets from shore to shore at night, but honestly I can't say it's a huge portion of salmon's problem, probably more of a problem to the bycatch.