e-bike on state land survey

[JimmyHoffa]

I have a 750 watt Surron ebike. One wire clipped and its 40mph. Its basically a dirt bike but its only 100lbs so i could get into places no dirtbike could. Im not a fan of ebikes on nonmotorized roads/trails. Ive been 10 miles in on my pedal, not ebike, and had ebikes blitz by me. Kinda chaps me. It has a MOTOR, 750 watts or not

but really does the ebike do any more or less damage to the trail then a regular bike ? I say less because of the wider tires

E-bike would likely be carrying a bit more weight, so I'd guess it would even out.  I think my neighbor's e-bike weighs about 70 lbs, but you could easily carry more stuff with all that help.  My mountain bike is just under 30 lbs and I limit the amount in the backpack.  E-bike sure is nice to fly around the neighborhood at 33-34 mph, though.

[LongBomb]

I have a 750 watt Surron ebike. One wire clipped and its 40mph. Its basically a dirt bike but its only 100lbs so i could get into places no dirtbike could. Im not a fan of ebikes on nonmotorized roads/trails. Ive been 10 miles in on my pedal, not ebike, and had ebikes blitz by me. Kinda chaps me. It has a MOTOR, 750 watts or not

but really does the ebike do any more or less damage to the trail then a regular bike ? I say less because of the wider tires

No more damage than a bike, idiots aside. Im just scratching my head how theyre not considered a motor vehicle to some people and why any ebike is allowed in non-motorized areas.

[LongBomb]

I have a 750 watt Surron ebike. One wire clipped and its 40mph. Its basically a dirt bike but its only 100lbs so i could get into places no dirtbike could. Im not a fan of ebikes on nonmotorized roads/trails. Ive been 10 miles in on my pedal, not ebike, and had ebikes blitz by me. Kinda chaps me. It has a MOTOR, 750 watts or not

Challenge accepted!
Well, not by me, but a bud of mine. I am volunteering him!
 

I have a friend that got into and started modifying electric bike's since they first came out.
Some of his were very fast, irregardless of what the sticker on the motor says.
And I can guarantee he would not stay on a trail.

I think you misunderstood me cuz thats what im getting at. My ebike can go just about anywhere you can walk through the woods.

[fishngamereaper]

Easing access increases use, subsequent increasing closures.

PotlatchDeltic in Idaho just had to implement new use rules. They use the term "motorized" when referencing closure area's. Seems pretty straight forward.  Buddy hunts out of orifino and his conversation's with Potlach employees this last year where echoing legitimate concerns. Increase in use, increase in fire danger's and to many people. Guess we'll see.

[Okano-gun]

I think all bikes should be banned on WDFW land. The rampant illegal trail building I have seen by these mountain bike groups on the Methow Wildlife Area is sickening. There will never be enough trails for them. They are causing irreparable damage to the shrub steppe habitat and displacing wildlife. Prime example Lester Road area. That being said if they continue to allow mountain bikes I am in favor of allowing all types of e-bikes. I also think there should be different rules for WDFW and DNR lands. These agencies have very different mission statements.

[Cougartail]

I think all bikes should be banned on WDFW land. The rampant illegal trail building I have seen by these mountain bike groups on the Methow Wildlife Area is sickening. There will never be enough trails for them. They are causing irreparable damage to the shrub steppe habitat and displacing wildlife. Prime example Lester Road area. That being said if they continue to allow mountain bikes I am in favor of allowing all types of e-bikes. I also think there should be different rules for WDFW and DNR lands. These agencies have very different mission statements.

How about a "Green Dot" system like with motorized vehicles?  Not perfect but far better than a full ban. Hikers, hunters and wildlife put in many trails also. Ban them?

[Okano-gun]

I think all bikes should be banned on WDFW land. The rampant illegal trail building I have seen by these mountain bike groups on the Methow Wildlife Area is sickening. There will never be enough trails for them. They are causing irreparable damage to the shrub steppe habitat and displacing wildlife. Prime example Lester Road area. That being said if they continue to allow mountain bikes I am in favor of allowing all types of e-bikes. I also think there should be different rules for WDFW and DNR lands. These agencies have very different mission statements.

How about a "Green Dot" system like with motorized vehicles?  Not perfect but far better than a full ban. Hikers, hunters and wildlife put in many trails also. Ban them?

I think that was proposed in The WDFW Rec plan "all are closed unless signed open".   I haven't seen hikers hunters or wildlife building trails as groups using pulaski's, mcleods, etc. 

[buckfvr]

I think people are making a big mistake viewing this through a hunters eyes. Its not about hunters, rather its about giving access to an entirely different user group and making access easier for them. Wont be long before your favorite patch of woods is a destination for groups of e-biker greenies, complete with camping access for them.  Count on it.

[Cougartail]

I think people are making a big mistake viewing this through a hunters eyes. Its not about hunters, rather its about giving access to an entirely different user group and making access easier for them. Wont be long before your favorite patch of woods is a destination for groups of e-biker greenies, complete with camping access for them.  Count on it.

My eyes are wide open!  Trails I used for coyote hunting 10 years ago now have bikers and hikers on them year around. They were barely a trail 40 years ago but now you could run side by sides down them.

I nolonger hunt on them until after dark. Manbuns and hairy armpiters believe the trails were put in for their style of recreation only.

[bbarnes]

The point of the bill was for riding on closed roads the overage age of users is 53 years old and for people that were disabled there’s no more advantage than bows that shoot 450 feet per second rifles that shoot a thousand yards cell phone trail cameras or artificial sents and calls or optics that look 5 miles away what’s the difference ? Keep public lands public will only be hunting this state for maybe another 5 years anyways

[Alex4200]

Here is some food for thought. We have all seen the threads about shooting from/near/or across roads and what constitutes a road in the mountains. So if ebikes are allowed on trails will it become illegal to shoot from a hiking trail because now a motorized vehicle can use it. In this state I can honestly see some anti making that challenge.

[guardian]

Their peddle assist not motorized.

[KFhunter]

I was reading the e-Harley thread...ya? 

Little past the gate road huntin on the Harley?

[JakeLand]

I was reading the e-Harley thread...ya? 

Little past the gate road huntin on the Harley?

i guess as long as it’s pedal assist and 750 watt or less !

[hunter399]

I was reading the e-Harley thread...ya? 

Little past the gate road huntin on the Harley?

i guess as long as it’s pedal assist and 750 watt or less !

Like said before ...
I'm over it ,can't beat em ,join em.
If e-harleys are da way to go. Then I'm going.
Just to throw it out there,nobody cares about the 750 watt rule or pedal assist.
I'll just weld some pedals on there ,and buy a 750 sticker and slap it on good to go.
Cost me 2.50$ for the sticker,and nothing for the pedals.