e-bike on state land survey

[CP]

If it's open to motorized vehicles it's open to an e bike... if its closed to motorized vehicles then it's closed to e bikes. I believe we r over thinking it.  It either has a propulsion system (motor electric or otherwise) or it doesnt.

That may be your opinion of the way things should be, and you are welcome to it, but that is not the law. 

[highcountry_hunter]

If it's open to motorized vehicles it's open to an e bike... if its closed to motorized vehicles then it's closed to e bikes. I believe we r over thinking it.  It either has a propulsion system (motor electric or otherwise) or it doesnt.

Exactly. Regardless of the wattage, pedal assist or other assorted BS details, it’s an electric MOTOR. It motorizes a 2 wheeled machine. Simple as that. Should not be allowed on any non motorized trails. Same as a gasoline powered dirt bike, atv, utv, or Toyota rock crawler.
Bad knees?
Not in good enough shape to hike in as far as you want?
Lack of motivation to get up a few hours earlier and hike in?
Tough F’kin titty! Life isn’t fair.
It’s called backcountry for a reason, the last thing anybody wants is to go 5 miles from the nearest road and see 5 e-bikes leaned up against trees

[Limhangerslayer]

If it's open to motorized vehicles it's open to an e bike... if its closed to motorized vehicles then it's closed to e bikes. I believe we r over thinking it.  It either has a propulsion system (motor electric or otherwise) or it doesnt.

Exactly. Regardless of the wattage, pedal assist or other assorted BS details, it’s an electric MOTOR. It motorizes a 2 wheeled machine. Simple as that. Should not be allowed on any non motorized trails. Same as a gasoline powered dirt bike, atv, utv, or Toyota rock crawler.
Bad knees?
Not in good enough shape to hike in as far as you want?
Lack of motivation to get up a few hours earlier and hike in?
Tough F’kin titty! Life isn’t fair.
It’s called backcountry for a reason, the last thing anybody wants is to go 5 miles from the nearest road and see 5 e-bikes leaned up against trees

  a motor is a motor, might as well say it’s only a 50cc engine so it doesn’t count either.

[CP]

Its about access to public lands for everyone. Not everyone is able to hike 5+ miles to get to good hunting areas behind gates. Not everyone has access to horses, etc. When your 70 years old and your knees are shot from 40 years of packing elk down steep hills, you will be happy you can use an ebike to get back into the animals.

Ask your doctor to write you a prescription for an ADA pass.  With that you may ride your ebike on any non-motorized trail where bicycles are allowed.

I have one because my doc doesn’t want me hiking up steep inclines (lack of cartilage in my right knee).  I don’t like to use it much, but it comes in handy when needed.

Maybe some won't want to see you on "their" trail, but, you know,  Tough F’kin titty! Life isn’t fair.

[hunthard]

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It’s called backcountry for a reason, the last thing anybody wants is to go 5 miles from the nearest road and see 5 e-bikes leaned up against trees
Got to wonder how anyone could carry there ebike 5 miles from the nearest road

[509]

Been over a decade since I was paid to pay attention to these issues.

But a decade ago, ALL AGENCIES did not agree on what a e-bike was relative to motorized/ unmotorized.

Forest Service was leaning to e-bikes were motorized, and they were definitely banned in Wilderness.

However, the state of Washington viewed e-bikes as non-motorized and allowed in setting where bicycles were allowed.

I have owned e-bikes for years, and really there is NO DIFFERENCE between an e-bike and a bicycle EXCEPT for the age of the person riding!!!

If a trail is closed to bicycles it should be closed to ebikes.

[trophyhunt]

And if it’s open to bicycles it should be open to ebikes as well.

[highcountry_hunter]

And if it’s open to bicycles it should be open to ebikes as well.

How bout dirt bikes?

[JakeLand]

If it's open to motorized vehicles it's open to an e bike... if its closed to motorized vehicles then it's closed to e bikes. I believe we r over thinking it.  It either has a propulsion system (motor electric or otherwise) or it doesnt.

Exactly. Regardless of the wattage, pedal assist or other assorted BS details, it’s an electric MOTOR. It motorizes a 2 wheeled machine. Simple as that. Should not be allowed on any non motorized trails. Same as a gasoline powered dirt bike, atv, utv, or Toyota rock crawler.
Bad knees?
Not in good enough shape to hike in as far as you want?
Lack of motivation to get up a few hours earlier and hike in?
Tough F’kin titty! Life isn’t fair.
It’s called backcountry for a reason, the last thing anybody wants is to go 5 miles from the nearest road and see 5 e-bikes leaned up against trees

or hike in and find horses, Lama’s or goats tied up because they’re to lazy and outta shape to hike in ?
Ebikes don’t tear up ground like any of the above mentioned period . So there shouldn’t be anything but your own 2 legs allowed up in wilderness?

[KFhunter]

Ebikes shouldn't be running up on pack animals because they should be on orv trails, with other motorized vehicles.

and besides, you don't ride llamas so you're still hiking 


There's not enough horse camps to support a huge user group like ebikes with trailers either taking up those spots.   Like I said its a new user group pushing out an old user group.

[RC]

Not too long ago I was talking to cop outside a grocery store.  I figured what the hell, I'll just ask this guy what he knows about them.  He said that some of his friends hunt with them and it's not an issue. 

Take it for what it's worth, but he said "if it has pedals, you're fine."

[JakeLand]

Ebikes shouldn't be running up on pack animals because they should be on orv trails, with other motorized vehicles.

and besides, you don't ride llamas so you're still hiking 


There's not enough horse camps to support a huge user group like ebikes with trailers either taking up those spots.   Like I said its a new user group pushing out an old user group.

so it’s like a old fashion pissing match !

[hawks33]

I was originally against ebikes and even advocated against them on this forum before.  With that said, I have changed my tune in some regards. As more gates have gone up, I've seen a lot of areas I used to drive into and hike become inaccessible from a hiking standpoint from the new gates. I've also found areas with gates that I have attempted to hike, only to have a vehicle with hunters drive past me (last year I was 6 miles in on a road) in an area posted as non motorized only. I've had this experience on FS roads, Weyerhauser and Sierra properties that were gated and/or posted for non motorized. Some may have been guys simply working, others were certainly hunters violating the rules.
I am definitely considering an ebike just because of these incidents and there have been multiple incidents. I'm perfectly capable of hiking long distances, I just cant compete with someone with keys to a gate and a truck

[KFhunter]

I have no illusions that they won't be all over the place no matter what I say on a hunting forum. 

Not gonna get bent nor get all mad here.   When they show up in my areas,  I'll switch it up and use them too.  Until then, I vote in the survey and discuss my opinion here for all that's worth...not even 

[hunter399]

I was originally against ebikes and even advocated against them on this forum before.  With that said, I have changed my tune in some regards. As more gates have gone up, I've seen a lot of areas I used to drive into and hike become inaccessible from a hiking standpoint from the new gates. I've also found areas with gates that I have attempted to hike, only to have a vehicle with hunters drive past me (last year I was 6 miles in on a road) in an area posted as non motorized only. I've had this experience on FS roads, Weyerhauser and Sierra properties that were gated and/or posted for non motorized. Some may have been guys simply working, others were certainly hunters violating the rules.
I am definitely considering an ebike just because of these incidents and there have been multiple incidents. I'm perfectly capable of hiking long distances, I just cant compete with someone with keys to a gate and a truck

Totally agree..
I'll add to this a bit.
I'm just gonna go ahead and say private timber is owners access rules.
Basically you are trespassing and not allowed to be there if you don't follow the land owners rules. Your right to access is void if you can't follow the rules.
You could be charged with trespassing
Banned from access to said timber land
Or be given a ticket by a warden.
A lot of timber land are gonna start going these routes due to the mass majority of people who can't seem to respect there access rules.

Will also add just like orv,ATV,sxs, pickup ,whatever, the more people that get on the ebike wagon .
The sooner these rules will be enforced.

E-bikes are not the same as a regular bicycle,I'm sorry for a few of you that are using that excuse.
I've been looking toward that direction and when it says it's got a 20 mile range with no pedal assistance.
And a 50 or 60 mile range if you pedal that's not a regular bicycle.
I'm sorry.