Carp Derby any different from Coyote?

[mcrawfordaf]

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/may/02/want-to-shoot-fish-with-arrows-to-help-the-environ/

How is this any different than Coyote derbies? I'm all for the carp tournament, don't get me wrong, it's just very frustrating to see a lack of consistency in WDFW regulating populations seen to hurt the environment and native species populations (to be expected at this point I suppose).

[Stein]

Carp are ugly, coyotes are cute puppy dogs.  Someone decides what species should be where and that's the biological law beyond question.  Those that bend the ear of WDFW seem to place a lot of importance on "facts" like those.

Carp shouldn't be there, but the non-native trout that were grown in a factory have protection to make sure they are always there in large numbers.  Seems kind of random to a guy without a degree in biology.

[cem3434]

Carp are a non-native invasive species whereas coyotes are not. 

[Cougartail]

If you are seeking clarification on WDFW policies just call Jaydolf's office.  He is a professional at pandering to all of Washington's leftist fruitcakes as to stay in power.

Only policies that result in vote gains or no loss are acceptable. 

..and when Bobby is done honking every fruitcakes horn he'll give a legal opinion to cover for their brown noses.

[Special T]

Philosophically,  not much of a difference. I also belive its a ban on any unclassified small nongame animal tourney/derby.  For example clubs could hold a coon derby that had hounds. No longer the case. I belive even Hunt WA online photo contest/derby was effected.
Even many solid Sportsmen votes failed us on this one. But 2 held strong. The one comissioner that has surprised me the most is Kim Thorburn. She isn't a hunter yet voted to keep coyote derbies.

[highcountry_hunter]

Carp don’t have sharp teeth and eye lashes. The anti’s only care about critters with sharp teeth and eyelashes.

[bearpaw]

It's this simple, the liberal anti-hunters and the WDFW Commission are infatuated with predators!

Carp don't have that luxury!

[GOcougsHunter]

Just a point of clarification.  Anti Hunters are not all liberal.  I personally know quite a few conservative folks in my community who have no problem with limiting hunting in this state.  There are many conservative folks living in our state who are just as misinformed as their liberal brethren.   Just sayin...

[Special T]

Just a point of clarification.  Anti Hunters are not all liberal.  I personally know quite a few conservative folks in my community who have no problem with limiting hunting in this state.  There are many conservative folks living in our state who are just as misinformed as their liberal brethren.   Just sayin...

This is true about the absolute you state. A large correlation/overlap however follows party lines. I personally believe it has to do with Rural vs Urban and the experiences folks have. A big difference in Need and Desire  exist between urban areas and rural ones.

[GOcougsHunter]

 "I personally believe it has to do with Rural vs Urban and the experiences folks have. "

Generally agree with this statement, but I absolutely know a number of folks who live in rural areas who are not keen to hunting and hunters, in general.  A wheat farmer I worked for back in college had to convince his wife that my pheasant hunting their stubble in the fall was so that a starving college kid could put meat on the table.  She needed to be convinced that hunting was ok, but only in my case.  I also have close friends who have acreage in the Kittitas valley who love their resident band of elk and occasional bear.  I stopped asking many years ago to help do some "hazing"

[MeepDog]

Carp are a non-native invasive species whereas coyotes are not. 

Exactly. If coyotes were introduced from Europe or something it would be a closer comparison. There needs to be more awareness about which species are invasive. I think we need more derby's like this in critical spawning habitat for salmon. Bounty on all non natives.

[mcrawfordaf]

Carp are a non-native invasive species whereas coyotes are not. 

Exactly. If coyotes were introduced from Europe or something it would be a closer comparison. There needs to be more awareness about which species are invasive. I think we need more derby's like this in critical spawning habitat for salmon. Bounty on all non natives.

Ok, rainbow trout derbies with no bag limits?

Pheasant derbies with no bag limits?

Hun derbies with no bag limits?

All non-natives.
Invasive or not - WDFW commissioners don't seem care. They seem to only care about making their anti-org friends happy.

"Wildlife killing contests do not reflect traditional hunting values, science or humane treatment of wildlife. All animals deserve to be treated with respect and indiscriminate killing of wildlife for prizes has no place in today’s wildlife conservation ethic.” - Leader of one such org who brought this to the commission.

[Stein]

Carp are a non-native invasive species whereas coyotes are not. 

Exactly. If coyotes were introduced from Europe or something it would be a closer comparison. There needs to be more awareness about which species are invasive. I think we need more derby's like this in critical spawning habitat for salmon. Bounty on all non natives.

Ok, rainbow trout derbies with no bag limits?

Pheasant derbies with no bag limits?

Hun derbies with no bag limits?

All non-natives.
Invasive or not - WDFW commissioners don't seem care. They seem to only care about making their anti-org friends happy.

"Wildlife killing contests do not reflect traditional hunting values, science or humane treatment of wildlife. All animals deserve to be treated with respect and indiscriminate killing of wildlife for prizes has no place in today’s wildlife conservation ethic.” - Leader of one such org who brought this to the commission.

 

There isn't an organization that gives a rip about carp, has nothing to do with anything other than nobody cares.

[Special T]

Because we are arguing about Coyote Derbies I want to say a big Thank You to Kim Thorburn!

She was one of 2 comissioners that voted to keep the derbies and she isn't a hunter! I belive her experience came from the Autobahn Society and he interest in Pigmy rabbits. She appears to understand what others do not. Controlling predators helps alliance of species not just huntable ones.

Yes exceptions to the rural vs urban viewpoint exist, but  an exception to the rule doesn't mean generalities  are not true.