Commissioners Smith and Rowlands Rant

[Special T]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

[hunter399]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

I agree.
That's why I said ,Commission needs to be gone.
We don't need a commission to set wildlife laws and rules in this state.
I'd be perfectly fine with WDFW setting rules based on science and needs of our state's wildlife.

[Special T]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

I agree.
That's why I said ,Commission needs to be gone.
We don't need a commission to set wildlife laws and rules in this state.
I'd be perfectly fine with WDFW setting rules based on science and needs of our state's wildlife.

Be careful what you ask for. We were without a commission before and didnt fair well as sportsmen. The governor just picked the director. Right now We have a great director Susewind, but what happens when he retires? He has 30 years in working for the state. I think this governor would LOVE to make some Animal rights activist the Director of WDFW to really drive it into the ground.

[hunter399]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

I agree.
That's why I said ,Commission needs to be gone.
We don't need a commission to set wildlife laws and rules in this state.
I'd be perfectly fine with WDFW setting rules based on science and needs of our state's wildlife.

Be careful what you ask for. We were without a commission before and didnt fair well as sportsmen. The governor just picked the director. Right now We have a great director Susewind, but what happens when he retires? He has 30 years in working for the state. I think this governor would LOVE to make some Animal rights activist the Director of WDFW to really drive it into the ground.

That probably gonna happen when our director retires,regardless if we have a Commission.

[WWC]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

I agree.
That's why I said ,Commission needs to be gone.
We don't need a commission to set wildlife laws and rules in this state.
I'd be perfectly fine with WDFW setting rules based on science and needs of our state's wildlife.

Be careful what you ask for. We were without a commission before and didnt fair well as sportsmen. The governor just picked the director. Right now We have a great director Susewind, but what happens when he retires? He has 30 years in working for the state. I think this governor would LOVE to make some Animal rights activist the Director of WDFW to really drive it into the ground.

That probably gonna happen when our director retires,regardless if we have a Commission.

It is best not to be a fatalist. We have a means to bring balance and accountability back to the commission. Be strong and have faith, several dedicated sportsmen are working hard to preserve the heritage.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.”—Sir Winston Churchill.

[elksnout]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

I agree.
That's why I said ,Commission needs to be gone.
We don't need a commission to set wildlife laws and rules in this state.
I'd be perfectly fine with WDFW setting rules based on science and needs of our state's wildlife.

Be careful what you ask for. We were without a commission before and didnt fair well as sportsmen. The governor just picked the director. Right now We have a great director Susewind, but what happens when he retires? He has 30 years in working for the state. I think this governor would LOVE to make some Animal rights activist the Director of WDFW to really drive it into the ground.

That probably gonna happen when our director retires,regardless if we have a Commission.

It is best not to be a fatalist. We have a means to bring balance and accountability back to the commission. Be strong and have faith, several dedicated sportsmen are working hard to preserve the heritage.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.”—Sir Winston Churchill.

So...there's a lot of speculation and comments between this thread and the other one under hunting topics. So I'm kinda lost a bit. How are sportsman being represented for Fridays meeting?

elksnout

[Special T]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

I agree.
That's why I said ,Commission needs to be gone.
We don't need a commission to set wildlife laws and rules in this state.
I'd be perfectly fine with WDFW setting rules based on science and needs of our state's wildlife.

Be careful what you ask for. We were without a commission before and didnt fair well as sportsmen. The governor just picked the director. Right now We have a great director Susewind, but what happens when he retires? He has 30 years in working for the state. I think this governor would LOVE to make some Animal rights activist the Director of WDFW to really drive it into the ground.

That probably gonna happen when our director retires,regardless if we have a Commission.

It is best not to be a fatalist. We have a means to bring balance and accountability back to the commission. Be strong and have faith, several dedicated sportsmen are working hard to preserve the heritage.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.”—Sir Winston Churchill.

So...there's a lot of speculation and comments between this thread and the other one under hunting topics. So I'm kinda lost a bit. How are sportsman being represented for Fridays meeting?

elksnout

I'm gonna make the assumption that Fridays meeting is too direct of a assertion. 1st its just a presentation of amendments so some procedural stuff will have to take place, comments and such. 2nd many of the commissioners are ignoring all manner of rules, laws and procedures. This proposal seems to be another on the stack. 3rd I can only assume that WWC meant the lawsuit because that is the only chance at changing the Commission. According to what WWC has stated so far, and what I can asertain,  a lawsuit is the only way to make a difference at this point.

[huntnphool]

I would imagine that a PDR to come up with the email took quite a while to get. That would explain why it was from MAY of last year.

SB5675

I admire the intent of the bill. In my opinion it has some major holes in it that prevent it from accomplishing what it sets out to do. Its lays the responsibility of the nomination committee in the Governor and Sen Van DeWeges hands. The same 2 folks that are not currently following the law OR being the necessary check and balance in the system. If passed this would put a hand picked buffer to take the criticism of both parties not doing their job. Another problem I see is definitions for each required position. What constitutes a sportsmen organization? does CNW constitute one?

I dont know if anyone could write up a bill that could be passed to fix this problem. The Governor IS a major part of the problem and he would have to sign any bill that would fix the problem. Since HE is the problem why would he sign anything that strips his ability to pack the commission with Animal Rights Activists?

I only see a couple of ways out of our predicament. 1 the lawsuit 2 elections
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5675.htm

I agree.
That's why I said ,Commission needs to be gone.
We don't need a commission to set wildlife laws and rules in this state.
I'd be perfectly fine with WDFW setting rules based on science and needs of our state's wildlife.

Be careful what you ask for. We were without a commission before and didnt fair well as sportsmen. The governor just picked the director. Right now We have a great director Susewind, but what happens when he retires? He has 30 years in working for the state. I think this governor would LOVE to make some Animal rights activist the Director of WDFW to really drive it into the ground.

That probably gonna happen when our director retires,regardless if we have a Commission.

It is best not to be a fatalist. We have a means to bring balance and accountability back to the commission. Be strong and have faith, several dedicated sportsmen are working hard to preserve the heritage.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.”—Sir Winston Churchill.

 How are sportsman being represented for Fridays meeting?

elksnout

 Bottom line, they’re not!