30 + years ago we used to target them up Copper Creek out of Ashford. We would set up on the highest ridges and shoot them. Problem was after you shot them would have to wade through berry bushes to get them. Once my buddy went down the ridge to get one and ran into a black bear eating the berries. Lafffed our asses off as he encountered the bear and it took off down the ridge as he tried to haul ass back up the ridge. JBLM (Fort Lewis) was open back then and we would swing by there after hunting pigeons and would shoot a limit of grouse out of his Toyota corolla....oh the good ole days.