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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2022, 03:02:09 PM »
The price of Instagram pics just got more expensive. 
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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2022, 04:17:53 PM »
It should equate to an overall reduction of harvest which is necessary to improve the quality of the product.  In general, it seems as though that will be a requirement for all western states that put an emphasis on "quality", (except Wa.).

Reduce harvest in order to improve quality of herds while maintaining as much revenue as possible.  Something like that.    :twocents:

There won't be a reduction in harvest. All the licenses will still sell out, no matter what the price is. This doesn't affect the regular draw. Only the special draw. But likely will cause a big jump in points required to draw licenses in the regular draw.

I agree. The “Special” tags will be better odds for maybe a year or two then I bet it evens back out. Time to cash out in WY I hope it’s a mild winter this year

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2022, 07:11:46 PM »
So I am by now ways an expert on any of this and all I know is what I have heard and read.  So i will try to explain what i have heard (but it might not be totally accurate in all areas so feel free to research all you want).

The Task force was asked to address a few issues this year.  One of them was the 90/10 issue for deer, elk, and antelope.  From what I have read and understand, this failed to get past the Task Force thank heavens.  Another thing that failed was an allotment of NR tags for outfitters.  The outfitters are not happy so they have driven this new Special license increase.  I think the task force sees a way to help the outfitters without allotting tags specifically to them.  The idea is, that if a fella is willing to pay a large sum for a guided hunt, he wont mind paying a huge amount for the tag.  The outfitters are having a hard time booking their clients because they have guys that want to pay them for a hunt but they cant get drawn for the tag.  Outfitters feel that the regular DIY hunter wont pay the huge increase and more of their clients will be able to get tags in the special draw.

This is the jest of what I have seen and read.  How accurate it is can be debated.  It is my personal opinion that all of the tags in these high demand western states in the next few years will have huge price increases.  Pretty much a supply and demand issue.  For example, if there are a 100 permits that cost $500 each allotted and 1000 applicants apply, the state would much rather weed out 850 guys that cant afford an increase and have 150 guys applying for the 100 tags at $1200 each.  There is something to be said about the money they make each year by people buying points and how many of them will drop off and the state could loose revenue that way.  But I guarantee you that they have business analysts doing all the figures to come up with plans that will give them maximum income for their resources.  To the state task forces, legislators, and public of that state, the NR hunter is just a source to increase the funds they want and need.  Just my opinion.  If the tags belonged to any one of us, we would want to get as much as we could for them probably.  If you have a truck that you are selling and you know you can find someone to pay you $10,000 for it, you aren't going to sell it for $5000. 

If you want to know more on this, go to the "Monster Muley" hunting forum and look under the Wyoming State page and there is a thread on there explaining it better than I can.  A lot of guys on that forum are all for it if it increases their odds of gettin the tag they want sooner.  I guess it all depends on how deep your pockets are.  I personally hate to see it go to this.  Soon we will all be paying for an opportunity to hunt the "Kings Deer"!!!  But a lot of guys that are in their 50's-70's that are financially stable don't want to wait 5 to 10 to 15 years for a tag when they know there health will eventually take its toll on their hunting ability and will do just about anything to hunt a soon as they can and as much as they can before they cant due to age and health.  These guys have seen tags they used to get every year or every two years go to every three to five years in a very short time and a lot of the premium tags go to OIL.  I guess they want to live by Randy Newbergs quote "Hunt as much as you possibly can because you will run out of health before you will ever run out of money"! 

I have a close friend who owns 6000 acre cattle ranch outside of Evanston I have access in Region K of Wyoming for deer and antelope.  For 10 years I was able to hunt it every year until recently and have had some unbelievable hunts and great memories with some fantastic animals.  This will be my second year of not drawing a tag and not being able to hunt the ranch.  I will try to hunt it next year but the drawing odds are looking like it might not be likely.  It will probably be four years before I will be able to hunt the ranch again.  October 1st (opening day) will be a painful day for me this year like it was last year.  Would I pay $1200 instead of the $600 to hunt the ranch more often?  Im 57 years old now.  That is a question I will have to figure out but I think I already know the answer.
well put, which goes back to what I said, the king will say who gets to hunt. Very sad for our young hunters.
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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2022, 08:56:56 PM »
Just a side note, the Task Force has agreed to this but it is only a recommendation to the State of Wyoming legislature and will have to be enacted in to law.  But most of the recommendations that get through the task force are passed in to law that next year.  Usually if it gets through and is recommended by the Task Force it gets voted in by the legislature who has assembled the Task Force to deal with these issues through much public comment and committee meetings.
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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2022, 09:10:03 PM »
I guess maybe I haven't thought it through enough but I'm not really that upset? If they jump the regular draw up substantially that's one thing but the special draw was supposed to be exclusive and making it so doesn't seem off mission?

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2022, 05:45:26 AM »
Man, I love hunting MY and WY, but they might price me right out of there. Guess I have to throw my eggs in this damn state or try further Eastern states.

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2022, 07:11:26 AM »
Worse yet is other western states will use any WY increases to justify their future increases.  If it's only the special that is one thing, but we all know it won't be limited to that, at least for long.

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2022, 08:16:50 AM »
Sad but true

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2022, 08:44:37 AM »
Its sad to see the reality that hunting the west is becoming.  I feel really bad for future generations. 

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2022, 08:54:01 AM »
These are all increases in NON RESIDENT applications correct?

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2022, 12:41:05 PM »
These are all increases in NON RESIDENT applications correct?
yes
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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2022, 01:05:42 PM »
bummer, following along.   curious what the legislature responds with in the public comment and committee process.  this hobby is starting to look like the inflation on ski lift tickets.   

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2022, 02:30:58 PM »
Reap what ya sow.
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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2022, 02:39:49 PM »
In my opinion, WY's "special" permits represent the worst of western public resource management.  I can make a decent argument for auctioning one or two tags for a species, but to wholesale make it a rich guy gets to the front of the line system for a public resource is pretty discouraging.

I hope someday we'll just put names in a hat and draw and leave it at that.  No rich guy's hat, no preference points, no incentive points, no bonus points, no old guy tags, no auctions, no landowner tags, no outfitter tags, just allocate whatever you want to nonresidents and everyone has the same chance.

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Re: Get out your Wyoming wallets!!!
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2022, 03:52:02 PM »
Man, I love hunting MY and WY, but they might price me right out of there. Guess I have to throw my eggs in this damn state or try further Eastern states.

I hear ya.  My Brother lives in TN... I think I might have to try Whitetail hunting over there soon.

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