How to hunt elk in Western WA

[ljsommer]

I am on a mission to learn more about elk in Western WA. Specifically, I am hunting for useful information about how the specific challenges with Western WA elk. 99% of all "how to hunt elk" information is marketed to terrain that looks like Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, etc. That knowledge can be applied to areas of Eastern WA but I have found next to nothing about how to overcome the unique challenges that face a Western WA elk hunter.

I own the Blacktail Tactics book, is there book, video, or learning series that can help me with Western WA elk? I am in Tacoma so pretty nicely positioned between the peninsula and Rainier, but (despite having a few years of attempts, both rifle and archery) I consider myself 100% new to elk hunting so I am starting from zero.

My (amateur) perceived challenges:
1.) Finding elk - I noticed with a late archery Wynoochee lottery tag that the elk seem to roam enormous distances. This becomes problematic when you take access into consideration. How do you account for their range?
2.) Getting away from pressure in Western WA means walking into extremely dense rainforest jungle, where movement happens at 10 feet per hour. Unless you know for a fact there are elk there, how do you efficiently cover ground to even find them in the first place?
3.) Is glassing just for closing 100 yards or less? I don't see how glassing could be a usable tool to find elk with territory so densely forested
4.) People talk about muzzie like it's the only way to get elk, what's up with that? Just a "sweet spot" between rut activity and access to a weapon that has more range than a bow?
5.) How is GoHunt for elk? Seems like their terrain analysis feature could be useful

Just looking for some information to get going, even if it's a link to an article, book, or tool.

[JakeLand]

It’s always a challenge that’s what makes it great , there’s a YouTube podcast with Brian cal and angry spike production ( Shannon Moab) that’s pretty useful

[huntnfmly]

I seen a you tube video with Randy Newberg explaining and showing examples of the go hunt terrain analysis
Looks pretty good starting point for you
Find an area you’re thinking about and throw the info they have on that and it looks like it would help crossing areas off or circling areas to check out
I may trade in my onX mapping and give that a try
Good luck and enjoy
Don’t put too much pressure on yourself have fun

[ljsommer]

I seen a you tube video with Randy Newberg explaining and showing examples of the go hunt terrain analysis
Looks pretty good starting point for you
Find an area you’re thinking about and throw the info they have on that and it looks like it would help crossing areas off or circling areas to check out
I may trade in my onX mapping and give that a try
Good luck and enjoy
Don’t put too much pressure on yourself have fun

Yeah I just watched that episode about the terrain analysis and it looks like a great tool that I'll be making use of. Just looking for any other info on western WA elk just because there seems to be so little.

[MountainWalk]

Go make friends with some shovel or tower loggers. Have a bottle of Pendleton and a rack of Rainer.  Be honest about what you want. Before I started logging, they helped me quite a bit.  Then I became a logger.  Those guys come in at dark and stay til almost dark. They use those roads every day.

  Don’t think you have to be miles from a road.  Elk will hang around units, they are used to motors and whistles.

[haftard]

first of all finding elk on the wet side is easy. if you want you can shoot me a pm and we can talk on the phone.

now killing an elk is a totaly diffrent story. some guys do it based on 90% skill and 10% luck, other guys do it on 100% luck, but no one kills elk based on skill alone. just keeping the wind good for more then 5 minuets can be challenge.

[Damnimissed]

I’ve never heard anyone claim muzzleloader is the only way to kill elk. It can be a good season, albeit short, but dont think it’s not crowded. Its less hunters crammed into less units.
Glassing is very effective, especially during rifle season, finding elk in the dog hair reprod from a vantage point. They love that stuff and usually the only time you can kill them in it, is from across a canyon looking into it.
As far as dipping down into a crickbottom with devils club and salmon berry over you head, theres no reason to do that unless you have tracks or know that’s where they went. If you can’t find them and know a particular $&*#hole they run to, that’s another story but just blindly bumbling through nasty brush without tracks will usually be a waste of time.

So, basically, find fresh tracks and go from there. $.02

[pickardjw]

Any thoughts on whether bulls on camera in August will still be around come muzzy season? My second elk season, first on the west side. This is not a coastal area for reference. Pretty popular for archery though so I'm assuming the elk will have been pushed around.

I'm planning to use my info from the cameras to start out, hopefully the elk are vocal enough to adjust from there.

[bobcat]

Any thoughts on whether bulls on camera in August will still be around come muzzy season? My second elk season, first on the west side. This is not a coastal area for reference. Pretty popular for archery though so I'm assuming the elk will have been pushed around.

I'm planning to use my info from the cameras to start out, hopefully the elk are vocal enough to adjust from there.

If there are cows also in the same area the bulls might still be there- if the cows are. But if in August it's bulls only, they very well could be completely gone while the rut is happening.

[pickardjw]

If there are cows also in the same area the bulls might still be there- if the cows are. But if in August it's bulls only, they very well could be completely gone while the rut is happening.

Lots of cows with bulls mixed in occasionally during August.

[bobcat]

If there are cows also in the same area the bulls might still be there- if the cows are. But if in August it's bulls only, they very well could be completely gone while the rut is happening.

Lots of cows with bulls mixed in occasionally during August.

In that case you're probably good then.

[roger1042]

I’m in the same boat as you! Very new to elk, live in Bremerton. Got my butt kicked and feel like roosies don’t behave at all like Rockies.

Found two podcasts with Angry Spike Productions, the one with Hunt Backcountry and the one with Randy Newberg are must listens.. They’ve got an approach that makes sense to me; I only wish I had found it before my hunt and not on the drive home.

[Maybach Outdoors]

I got my first Roosie (and animal) this year with a bow. I started last year and was pretty determined to figure them out this year. No expert by any means. Here is what I did:

1. I picked a unit that harvests a lot of elk. If I knew there were elk in there...and those elk were killed every year... it gave me hope. I understood that hunting pressure would be a challange, but my goal was to get as many elk encounters as possible. I knew that finding elk is half the battle, but you also have to call them in or sneak up on them and finally shoot them. I simply wanted more experience with these things. And, knowing that elk were in that unit gave me a mental safety net when things got tough. I lot of people pack up and leave after the first 3 or 4 days because they don't see or hear anything.

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

3. I set up a nice camp. It was nice to have a comfortable and dry bed to sleep in every night. Makes hunting all day a lot more feasible. Last year I was sleeping out of my car and I only lasted 5 days. I made sure I had good and healthy food so I would have energy to hunt all day.

4. I came up with a game plan for a 9 day hunt. I was going to spend the first 4 days hitting the same spot every day (it's about a 9-10 mile loop). I was bumping elk in there all summer. My thinking was that if the elk were making a loop they simply might not be in one area on one specific day. But, I want to emphasize that I was going to hit that area no matter what on all 4 days. I feel like I moved around too much last year. The next 3 days I would hit other areas I had scouted in the summer. Covering as much ground as possible. Finally, I left the last 2 days as wildcard days in case I had come up with a better plan.

5. I came up with a game plan on how I was going to hunt the elk. For the first 4 days I was going to alternate morning, afternoon, and evening strategies (calling, still hunt, ambush, etc.). For example, I would do a lot of bugling and calling morning 1. But, I would still hunt morning 2 while bugling and calling afternoon 2. I still don't really know how to hunt these elk. My thinking was to try a systematic approach and see what sticks.

6. Be flexible. I was very surprised when my super top secret spot that had zero bootprints all summer had 9 trucks parked at the gate on opening morning. I remember telling myself "it's a marathon not a sprint" over and over as I drove away to plan B (same general area just different access point). I walked into some dark timber in hopes of intercepting elk that would be pushed... 30 minutes into my hunt I had a bull bugling and killed him after 15 minutes. 95% luck for sure, but I still have meat in the freezer.

7. Be persistent. Stick to the plan. I went back into my area 3-4 days after opening morning to pick up my cameras. No pick ups at the gate. Not a soul out there. I had 2 bulls bugling their heads off right where I thought they would be.

My plan for next year is to figure out another unit closer to home. I was driving nearly 6 hours every scouting trip, so that takes a lot out boots on the ground time. I have an general understanding now of what the elk appear to like (timber, reprod, etc.), so I will escout places that appear similar to the ones I found this summer. I'm going to repeat the same process in the new unit and then decide which one I want to hunt next year. Worst case scenario I have more intel.

Hope this helps. If you need more insight reach out to me on instagram @Hunt_phd

M

[Maybach Outdoors]

I realize my reply is more of a general advice I guess as the original post is asking for specific tactics... I'm all ears on that topic myself lol

[ljsommer]

I got my first Roosie (and animal) this year with a bow. I started last year and was pretty determined to figure them out this year. No expert by any means. Here is what I did:

1. I picked a unit that harvests a lot of elk. If I knew there were elk in there...and those elk were killed every year... it gave me hope. I understood that hunting pressure would be a challange, but my goal was to get as many elk encounters as possible. I knew that finding elk is half the battle, but you also have to call them in or sneak up on them and finally shoot them. I simply wanted more experience with these things. And, knowing that elk were in that unit gave me a mental safety net when things got tough. I lot of people pack up and leave after the first 3 or 4 days because they don't see or hear anything.

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

3. I set up a nice camp. It was nice to have a comfortable and dry bed to sleep in every night. Makes hunting all day a lot more feasible. Last year I was sleeping out of my car and I only lasted 5 days. I made sure I had good and healthy food so I would have energy to hunt all day.

4. I came up with a game plan for a 9 day hunt. I was going to spend the first 4 days hitting the same spot every day (it's about a 9-10 mile loop). I was bumping elk in there all summer. My thinking was that if the elk were making a loop they simply might not be in one area on one specific day. But, I want to emphasize that I was going to hit that area no matter what on all 4 days. I feel like I moved around too much last year. The next 3 days I would hit other areas I had scouted in the summer. Covering as much ground as possible. Finally, I left the last 2 days as wildcard days in case I had come up with a better plan.

5. I came up with a game plan on how I was going to hunt the elk. For the first 4 days I was going to alternate morning, afternoon, and evening strategies (calling, still hunt, ambush, etc.). For example, I would do a lot of bugling and calling morning 1. But, I would still hunt morning 2 while bugling and calling afternoon 2. I still don't really know how to hunt these elk. My thinking was to try a systematic approach and see what sticks.

6. Be flexible. I was very surprised when my super top secret spot that had zero bootprints all summer had 9 trucks parked at the gate on opening morning. I remember telling myself "it's a marathon not a sprint" over and over as I drove away to plan B (same general area just different access point). I walked into some dark timber in hopes of intercepting elk that would be pushed... 30 minutes into my hunt I had a bull bugling and killed him after 15 minutes. 95% luck for sure, but I still have meat in the freezer.

7. Be persistent. Stick to the plan. I went back into my area 3-4 days after opening morning to pick up my cameras. No pick ups at the gate. Not a soul out there. I had 2 bulls bugling their heads off right where I thought they would be.

My plan for next year is to figure out another unit closer to home. I was driving nearly 6 hours every scouting trip, so that takes a lot out boots on the ground time. I have an general understanding now of what the elk appear to like (timber, reprod, etc.), so I will escout places that appear similar to the ones I found this summer. I'm going to repeat the same process in the new unit and then decide which one I want to hunt next year. Worst case scenario I have more intel.

Hope this helps. If you need more insight reach out to me on instagram @Hunt_phd

M

Excellent write-up, thanks for taking the time to do that! When are you going to replace that BMW by the way?

[Maybach Outdoors]

I got my first Roosie (and animal) this year with a bow. I started last year and was pretty determined to figure them out this year. No expert by any means. Here is what I did:

1. I picked a unit that harvests a lot of elk. If I knew there were elk in there...and those elk were killed every year... it gave me hope. I understood that hunting pressure would be a challange, but my goal was to get as many elk encounters as possible. I knew that finding elk is half the battle, but you also have to call them in or sneak up on them and finally shoot them. I simply wanted more experience with these things. And, knowing that elk were in that unit gave me a mental safety net when things got tough. I lot of people pack up and leave after the first 3 or 4 days because they don't see or hear anything.

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

3. I set up a nice camp. It was nice to have a comfortable and dry bed to sleep in every night. Makes hunting all day a lot more feasible. Last year I was sleeping out of my car and I only lasted 5 days. I made sure I had good and healthy food so I would have energy to hunt all day.

4. I came up with a game plan for a 9 day hunt. I was going to spend the first 4 days hitting the same spot every day (it's about a 9-10 mile loop). I was bumping elk in there all summer. My thinking was that if the elk were making a loop they simply might not be in one area on one specific day. But, I want to emphasize that I was going to hit that area no matter what on all 4 days. I feel like I moved around too much last year. The next 3 days I would hit other areas I had scouted in the summer. Covering as much ground as possible. Finally, I left the last 2 days as wildcard days in case I had come up with a better plan.

5. I came up with a game plan on how I was going to hunt the elk. For the first 4 days I was going to alternate morning, afternoon, and evening strategies (calling, still hunt, ambush, etc.). For example, I would do a lot of bugling and calling morning 1. But, I would still hunt morning 2 while bugling and calling afternoon 2. I still don't really know how to hunt these elk. My thinking was to try a systematic approach and see what sticks.

6. Be flexible. I was very surprised when my super top secret spot that had zero bootprints all summer had 9 trucks parked at the gate on opening morning. I remember telling myself "it's a marathon not a sprint" over and over as I drove away to plan B (same general area just different access point). I walked into some dark timber in hopes of intercepting elk that would be pushed... 30 minutes into my hunt I had a bull bugling and killed him after 15 minutes. 95% luck for sure, but I still have meat in the freezer.

7. Be persistent. Stick to the plan. I went back into my area 3-4 days after opening morning to pick up my cameras. No pick ups at the gate. Not a soul out there. I had 2 bulls bugling their heads off right where I thought they would be.

My plan for next year is to figure out another unit closer to home. I was driving nearly 6 hours every scouting trip, so that takes a lot out boots on the ground time. I have an general understanding now of what the elk appear to like (timber, reprod, etc.), so I will escout places that appear similar to the ones I found this summer. I'm going to repeat the same process in the new unit and then decide which one I want to hunt next year. Worst case scenario I have more intel.

Hope this helps. If you need more insight reach out to me on instagram @Hunt_phd

M

Excellent write-up, thanks for taking the time to do that! When are you going to replace that BMW by the way?

lol don't expose me like that

[Brandon.Hunter]

One of the best write ups I have seen. Great work.

[ljsommer]

first of all finding elk on the wet side is easy. if you want you can shoot me a pm and we can talk on the phone.

now killing an elk is a totaly diffrent story. some guys do it based on 90% skill and 10% luck, other guys do it on 100% luck, but no one kills elk based on skill alone. just keeping the wind good for more then 5 minuets can be challenge.

Thanks for taking the time to chat with me this evening on the phone! Really appreciate how helpful folks are for us newbies!

[gundogr]

It’s always a challenge that’s what makes it great , there’s a YouTube podcast with Brian cal and angry spike production ( Shannon Moab) that’s pretty useful

You are on YOUTUBE?! Old man? 

[Griiz]

I realize my reply is more of a general advice I guess as the original post is asking for specific tactics... I'm all ears on that topic myself lol

You're reply was awesome. Having an organized strategy/plan takes a lot of the luck out of it and leads to consistent success while hunting a lot of species. I think you deserve more than 5% credit for your success. I'd turn your % around. Thanks

[KP-Skagit]

 

All big game hunting, particularly elk hunting came be downplayed as luck but I don't at all agree. Sure, if you have never been in a unit before and walk in the first day and get your animal... That's pretty lucky. However, if you have taken the time, be it in off season scouting, or multiple years hunting a unit, to learn where you are hunting and how the animals use the area I would say that there was no luck at all.

[crazywednesday]

I got my first Roosie (and animal) this year with a bow. I started last year and was pretty determined to figure them out this year. No expert by any means. Here is what I did:

1. I picked a unit that harvests a lot of elk. If I knew there were elk in there...and those elk were killed every year... it gave me hope. I understood that hunting pressure would be a challange, but my goal was to get as many elk encounters as possible. I knew that finding elk is half the battle, but you also have to call them in or sneak up on them and finally shoot them. I simply wanted more experience with these things. And, knowing that elk were in that unit gave me a mental safety net when things got tough. I lot of people pack up and leave after the first 3 or 4 days because they don't see or hear anything.

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

3. I set up a nice camp. It was nice to have a comfortable and dry bed to sleep in every night. Makes hunting all day a lot more feasible. Last year I was sleeping out of my car and I only lasted 5 days. I made sure I had good and healthy food so I would have energy to hunt all day.

4. I came up with a game plan for a 9 day hunt. I was going to spend the first 4 days hitting the same spot every day (it's about a 9-10 mile loop). I was bumping elk in there all summer. My thinking was that if the elk were making a loop they simply might not be in one area on one specific day. But, I want to emphasize that I was going to hit that area no matter what on all 4 days. I feel like I moved around too much last year. The next 3 days I would hit other areas I had scouted in the summer. Covering as much ground as possible. Finally, I left the last 2 days as wildcard days in case I had come up with a better plan.

5. I came up with a game plan on how I was going to hunt the elk. For the first 4 days I was going to alternate morning, afternoon, and evening strategies (calling, still hunt, ambush, etc.). For example, I would do a lot of bugling and calling morning 1. But, I would still hunt morning 2 while bugling and calling afternoon 2. I still don't really know how to hunt these elk. My thinking was to try a systematic approach and see what sticks.

6. Be flexible. I was very surprised when my super top secret spot that had zero bootprints all summer had 9 trucks parked at the gate on opening morning. I remember telling myself "it's a marathon not a sprint" over and over as I drove away to plan B (same general area just different access point). I walked into some dark timber in hopes of intercepting elk that would be pushed... 30 minutes into my hunt I had a bull bugling and killed him after 15 minutes. 95% luck for sure, but I still have meat in the freezer.

7. Be persistent. Stick to the plan. I went back into my area 3-4 days after opening morning to pick up my cameras. No pick ups at the gate. Not a soul out there. I had 2 bulls bugling their heads off right where I thought they would be.

My plan for next year is to figure out another unit closer to home. I was driving nearly 6 hours every scouting trip, so that takes a lot out boots on the ground time. I have an general understanding now of what the elk appear to like (timber, reprod, etc.), so I will escout places that appear similar to the ones I found this summer. I'm going to repeat the same process in the new unit and then decide which one I want to hunt next year. Worst case scenario I have more intel.

Hope this helps. If you need more insight reach out to me on instagram @Hunt_phd

M

This is excellent advise. The only thing I would add is that knowledge of the area your hunting is key. Where the elk feed, hide, and retreat from the heat are important. Western Wa elk feed in the morning (unusually clear cuts, but not always), water after they feed, bed mid day (brush, bottom or timber), feed in the afternoon, sleep in the open (mostly). We find that they hide in the bottoms under pressure. What does the drainage look like? How hard are you willing to hunt. Out of 3 of us this year, we killed two bulls early archery season. One was luck. We almost had a trifecta multiple times. Learn the area you want to hunt from top to bottom. Learn which ridges are easiest to get to the bottom. Hunt the same areas year in and out. We have been hunting the same unit for 17 years and we still discovered some new stuff this year. Get to know the old grades and ridgelines that elk use. Learn to call. Bugling is stupid easy. If you need a place to start, use the elk nut app. You dont have to be a great caller when you find a bull that wants to play. BTW, this is archery elk early season advice. Best of luck to you. If you get a bull down post a picture.

[JeffRaines]

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

If you don't mind my asking - how did you pick these areas? Escouting? Advice from others?

It seems like most podcast/article/tutorial/videos are centered around hunting in Montana/Colorado/Wyoming, which are pretty different terrain-wise in comparison to Western Washington. Is there some informational article/video I've overlooked when it comes to e-scouting Western Washington?

[JimmyHoffa]

All big game hunting, particularly elk hunting came be downplayed as luck but I don't at all agree. Sure, if you have never been in a unit before and walk in the first day and get your animal... That's pretty lucky. However, if you have taken the time, be it in off season scouting, or multiple years hunting a unit, to learn where you are hunting and how the animals use the area I would say that there was no luck at all.

For Western WA, I would say a part of the luck factor is how other people/events play into the hunt--things outside of what you list for reducing dependence on good luck.  I would put it in the camp of bad luck. 
Here's a few examples--
Area you have been watching a bull for a month and a half, then a rainstorm a few days before the season washes out the road prompting DNR to close the road.
A place you've been watching a herd all summer and the beginning of fall--then when the season opens, a survey crew from the national park service is stomping all over the area and nailing signs in trees.
Tree farms go pay-to-play and the night before opening day you get an additional dozen hunters camping at the gate you want to go in, and all of them head in while still dark.
Area gets shuts down due to an escaped convict.
Etc.

Never ceases to amaze me how many major factors come into play right before/during the season that can't be scouted out.

[blackveltbowhunter]

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

If you don't mind my asking - how did you pick these areas? Escouting? Advice from others?

It seems like most podcast/article/tutorial/videos are centered around hunting in Montana/Colorado/Wyoming, which are pretty different terrain-wise in comparison to Western Washington. Is there some informational article/video I've overlooked when it comes to e-scouting Western Washington?

  Elk are elk. And behavior is basically the same across species, with some subtle changes. Rosies in my experience are far more territorial. I will hunt an area loaded with rubs even if i dont hear bugles, double down if i know there is cows around. Rosie Bulls dont seem to waste alot of time "foreplay " bugling. The back and forth thing. If they are bugling they are seeking for cows, or ready to fight cuz another bull crossed the threshhold. I think maybe thats why they get the rap for not being vocal. They dont pop off to just say "hey im over here" much. Rockies will do that for hours. hence the hearing a hundred bugles but the bull wont budge. Thats normal for those guys. They also seem to wander alot, and rubs on a ridge often doesnt mean much as that bull might be miles away.

As for e scouting alot of factors can come into play.  Generally speaking, i have found escouting to not be nearly as beneficial in westside as out of state or eastside. That could be why there is little info out there regarding it.  Westside especially private timber is in costant change, and is not nearly as stable as state or federal land especially land not used for forest production. Roads on onyx may be closed, permanently, or for active timber operations. Pay  close attention to timelines of images on mapping software and GE as they may not accurately represent current landscape due to logging or reforestaion. Even if you have a well laid plan,  odds of your plan being blown up due to fire closure, logging etc.... are much higher. Thats before you start to factor in hunting pressure. Dont be afraid to hunt right next to an active road. Thats often where they go to escape pressure. If you find fresh and old sign mixed together, hang on to that spot and start narrowing down other factors to have A,B,C,D etc plan.

[Maybach Outdoors]

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

If you don't mind my asking - how did you pick these areas? Escouting? Advice from others?

It seems like most podcast/article/tutorial/videos are centered around hunting in Montana/Colorado/Wyoming, which are pretty different terrain-wise in comparison to Western Washington. Is there some informational article/video I've overlooked when it comes to e-scouting Western Washington?

As I mentioned in the previous reply, I first picked a unit with tons of elk in it (from harvest reports). From the escouting I typically look at dark timber pockets on the fringes of some clear cuts and reprod. You can sort of tell from the satellite images what the area looks like. I look at little access points and roads especially roads that are abandoned.. But in my opinion you cant escout western WA all that well because of some of the access issues people have mentioned. You gotta get in there and see what the roads and access points look like. I had a “perfect” spot I found that required a ton of walking to get to, but later found out the timber company left a road open for access… some roads are totally overgrown (I like those). Biggest thing I look for now is dark timber with flat spots that don’t have a trail going to them. Hopes this helps.

M

[sightsee]

You sound pretty serious and that's important, attitude and work ethic will be essential to becoming a competent Rosy elk hunter. They don't get the credit they deserve as being one of the toughest animals to hunt successfully consistently. It's as tough as any goat or sheep hunt out there if you go hard.
I've been traditional archery hunting them for 30 years, pickup hundreds of their sheds and hundreds of game cam pics.
You sound like you got the fundamentals of archery elk hunting fairly understood so I'll share some people that you haven't mentioned yet like Scott Haugen articles (Google them), Bowsite has had some good Rosy posts, Joel Turner at ShotIQ is an excellent elk caller, killer, shooter. Watch him on Youtube, podcasts. TradQuest podcast has had some stud Rosy hunters on their show.
These should keep you busy and enhance your savviness as a competent Roosevelt elk hunter substantially.

[sightsee]

Putting the pieces of the puzzle together when I find one of these.

[sterlryu]

I got my first Roosie (and animal) this year with a bow. I started last year and was pretty determined to figure them out this year. No expert by any means. Here is what I did:

1. I picked a unit that harvests a lot of elk. If I knew there were elk in there...and those elk were killed every year... it gave me hope. I understood that hunting pressure would be a challange, but my goal was to get as many elk encounters as possible. I knew that finding elk is half the battle, but you also have to call them in or sneak up on them and finally shoot them. I simply wanted more experience with these things. And, knowing that elk were in that unit gave me a mental safety net when things got tough. I lot of people pack up and leave after the first 3 or 4 days because they don't see or hear anything.

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

3. I set up a nice camp. It was nice to have a comfortable and dry bed to sleep in every night. Makes hunting all day a lot more feasible. Last year I was sleeping out of my car and I only lasted 5 days. I made sure I had good and healthy food so I would have energy to hunt all day.

4. I came up with a game plan for a 9 day hunt. I was going to spend the first 4 days hitting the same spot every day (it's about a 9-10 mile loop). I was bumping elk in there all summer. My thinking was that if the elk were making a loop they simply might not be in one area on one specific day. But, I want to emphasize that I was going to hit that area no matter what on all 4 days. I feel like I moved around too much last year. The next 3 days I would hit other areas I had scouted in the summer. Covering as much ground as possible. Finally, I left the last 2 days as wildcard days in case I had come up with a better plan.

5. I came up with a game plan on how I was going to hunt the elk. For the first 4 days I was going to alternate morning, afternoon, and evening strategies (calling, still hunt, ambush, etc.). For example, I would do a lot of bugling and calling morning 1. But, I would still hunt morning 2 while bugling and calling afternoon 2. I still don't really know how to hunt these elk. My thinking was to try a systematic approach and see what sticks.

6. Be flexible. I was very surprised when my super top secret spot that had zero bootprints all summer had 9 trucks parked at the gate on opening morning. I remember telling myself "it's a marathon not a sprint" over and over as I drove away to plan B (same general area just different access point). I walked into some dark timber in hopes of intercepting elk that would be pushed... 30 minutes into my hunt I had a bull bugling and killed him after 15 minutes. 95% luck for sure, but I still have meat in the freezer.

7. Be persistent. Stick to the plan. I went back into my area 3-4 days after opening morning to pick up my cameras. No pick ups at the gate. Not a soul out there. I had 2 bulls bugling their heads off right where I thought they would be.

My plan for next year is to figure out another unit closer to home. I was driving nearly 6 hours every scouting trip, so that takes a lot out boots on the ground time. I have an general understanding now of what the elk appear to like (timber, reprod, etc.), so I will escout places that appear similar to the ones I found this summer. I'm going to repeat the same process in the new unit and then decide which one I want to hunt next year. Worst case scenario I have more intel.

Hope this helps. If you need more insight reach out to me on instagram @Hunt_phd

M

Excellent write-up, thanks for taking the time to do that! When are you going to replace that BMW by the way?

lol don't expose me like that

Congrats on the elk! Great write up. I think we went scouting together once.

[Badsmerf]

Question for you guys that have been doing it longer than me. Do most most people get them in clear cuts or timber? Someone told me this weekend that far more elk come out of creek bottoms/timber than clear cuts. I guess I'm trying to wrap my head around how someone would hunt these? Just know where they're going to be and wait? Still hunt random pieces next to clear cuts you'd expect them to feed in?

[Maybach Outdoors]

I got my first Roosie (and animal) this year with a bow. I started last year and was pretty determined to figure them out this year. No expert by any means. Here is what I did:

1. I picked a unit that harvests a lot of elk. If I knew there were elk in there...and those elk were killed every year... it gave me hope. I understood that hunting pressure would be a challange, but my goal was to get as many elk encounters as possible. I knew that finding elk is half the battle, but you also have to call them in or sneak up on them and finally shoot them. I simply wanted more experience with these things. And, knowing that elk were in that unit gave me a mental safety net when things got tough. I lot of people pack up and leave after the first 3 or 4 days because they don't see or hear anything.

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

3. I set up a nice camp. It was nice to have a comfortable and dry bed to sleep in every night. Makes hunting all day a lot more feasible. Last year I was sleeping out of my car and I only lasted 5 days. I made sure I had good and healthy food so I would have energy to hunt all day.

4. I came up with a game plan for a 9 day hunt. I was going to spend the first 4 days hitting the same spot every day (it's about a 9-10 mile loop). I was bumping elk in there all summer. My thinking was that if the elk were making a loop they simply might not be in one area on one specific day. But, I want to emphasize that I was going to hit that area no matter what on all 4 days. I feel like I moved around too much last year. The next 3 days I would hit other areas I had scouted in the summer. Covering as much ground as possible. Finally, I left the last 2 days as wildcard days in case I had come up with a better plan.

5. I came up with a game plan on how I was going to hunt the elk. For the first 4 days I was going to alternate morning, afternoon, and evening strategies (calling, still hunt, ambush, etc.). For example, I would do a lot of bugling and calling morning 1. But, I would still hunt morning 2 while bugling and calling afternoon 2. I still don't really know how to hunt these elk. My thinking was to try a systematic approach and see what sticks.

6. Be flexible. I was very surprised when my super top secret spot that had zero bootprints all summer had 9 trucks parked at the gate on opening morning. I remember telling myself "it's a marathon not a sprint" over and over as I drove away to plan B (same general area just different access point). I walked into some dark timber in hopes of intercepting elk that would be pushed... 30 minutes into my hunt I had a bull bugling and killed him after 15 minutes. 95% luck for sure, but I still have meat in the freezer.

7. Be persistent. Stick to the plan. I went back into my area 3-4 days after opening morning to pick up my cameras. No pick ups at the gate. Not a soul out there. I had 2 bulls bugling their heads off right where I thought they would be.

My plan for next year is to figure out another unit closer to home. I was driving nearly 6 hours every scouting trip, so that takes a lot out boots on the ground time. I have an general understanding now of what the elk appear to like (timber, reprod, etc.), so I will escout places that appear similar to the ones I found this summer. I'm going to repeat the same process in the new unit and then decide which one I want to hunt next year. Worst case scenario I have more intel.

Hope this helps. If you need more insight reach out to me on instagram @Hunt_phd

M

Excellent write-up, thanks for taking the time to do that! When are you going to replace that BMW by the way?

lol don't expose me like that

Congrats on the elk! Great write up. I think we went scouting together once.

Shoot I think we may have, but I forgot when and where lol

[Maybach Outdoors]

Question for you guys that have been doing it longer than me. Do most most people get them in clear cuts or timber? Someone told me this weekend that far more elk come out of creek bottoms/timber than clear cuts. I guess I'm trying to wrap my head around how someone would hunt these? Just know where they're going to be and wait? Still hunt random pieces next to clear cuts you'd expect them to feed in?

I would assume that clear cuts are easier during rifle since you don't have to sneak in super close. Timber might be easier for archery.

[Hectocotylus]

Does anyone have a good perspective or trail camera info on if the elk are bedded down all day and moving at night or vice versa or Wondering about rifle season in the timber creek bottom type areas. Already thinking about next season…


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[elkchaser54]

So this is my first year on the West side of our state, hunted Idaho, Oregon and Eastern Washington and always stumbled my way in to elk. Been out scouting the area of Packwood and Randle.  Found some tracks but no heavily used trails. My big question is what elevation do elk prefer around here ?  Higher up elevations of 4000 or the deep jungles in the 1500 to 2000 . I'm sure I'll hear some bugles once the season gets going and I'll be pointed in the right direction but definitely feeling a little out of my element in these jungles . Leave the binoculars at home, it's gonna be hand to hand combat with these elk. I'll be carrying the ol stick and string.  Starting in two weeks

[Fidelk]

From what I've heard, archery is OK......modern rifle, very hard.

[MADMAX]

From what I've heard, archery is OK......modern rifle, very hard.

Anymore if I had my choice
Muzzleloader

I wish when I was starting out I had a resource like this forum

Access seems to be the biggest problem along with
Timberland permits
Fire danger closures
Theft and vandalism at gates
 

[Maybach Outdoors]

I got my first Roosie (and animal) this year with a bow. I started last year and was pretty determined to figure them out this year. No expert by any means. Here is what I did:

1. I picked a unit that harvests a lot of elk. If I knew there were elk in there...and those elk were killed every year... it gave me hope. I understood that hunting pressure would be a challange, but my goal was to get as many elk encounters as possible. I knew that finding elk is half the battle, but you also have to call them in or sneak up on them and finally shoot them. I simply wanted more experience with these things. And, knowing that elk were in that unit gave me a mental safety net when things got tough. I lot of people pack up and leave after the first 3 or 4 days because they don't see or hear anything.

2. I spent 10-15 weekends in the same unit. Same general area. Walking around, setting up cameras, and hitting as many areas as possible. I looked for last years' rubs and sign. If I didn't find old rubs or sign I crossed that area off my list (they might actually move into these areas during hunting season, but I assumed that they would not be there) Generally, what I found is that the elk were making 2-3 day loops through the same general area. That's how I was seeing them on camera at least.

3. I set up a nice camp. It was nice to have a comfortable and dry bed to sleep in every night. Makes hunting all day a lot more feasible. Last year I was sleeping out of my car and I only lasted 5 days. I made sure I had good and healthy food so I would have energy to hunt all day.

4. I came up with a game plan for a 9 day hunt. I was going to spend the first 4 days hitting the same spot every day (it's about a 9-10 mile loop). I was bumping elk in there all summer. My thinking was that if the elk were making a loop they simply might not be in one area on one specific day. But, I want to emphasize that I was going to hit that area no matter what on all 4 days. I feel like I moved around too much last year. The next 3 days I would hit other areas I had scouted in the summer. Covering as much ground as possible. Finally, I left the last 2 days as wildcard days in case I had come up with a better plan.

5. I came up with a game plan on how I was going to hunt the elk. For the first 4 days I was going to alternate morning, afternoon, and evening strategies (calling, still hunt, ambush, etc.). For example, I would do a lot of bugling and calling morning 1. But, I would still hunt morning 2 while bugling and calling afternoon 2. I still don't really know how to hunt these elk. My thinking was to try a systematic approach and see what sticks.

6. Be flexible. I was very surprised when my super top secret spot that had zero bootprints all summer had 9 trucks parked at the gate on opening morning. I remember telling myself "it's a marathon not a sprint" over and over as I drove away to plan B (same general area just different access point). I walked into some dark timber in hopes of intercepting elk that would be pushed... 30 minutes into my hunt I had a bull bugling and killed him after 15 minutes. 95% luck for sure, but I still have meat in the freezer.

7. Be persistent. Stick to the plan. I went back into my area 3-4 days after opening morning to pick up my cameras. No pick ups at the gate. Not a soul out there. I had 2 bulls bugling their heads off right where I thought they would be.

My plan for next year is to figure out another unit closer to home. I was driving nearly 6 hours every scouting trip, so that takes a lot out boots on the ground time. I have an general understanding now of what the elk appear to like (timber, reprod, etc.), so I will escout places that appear similar to the ones I found this summer. I'm going to repeat the same process in the new unit and then decide which one I want to hunt next year. Worst case scenario I have more intel.

Hope this helps. If you need more insight reach out to me on instagram @Hunt_phd

M

A lot of folks liked this summary last year. I hope someone finds it useful! I'm excited to test out my skills again... I'd love to get two public land roosevelts in a row! Good luck everyone!

[Humptulips]

I'll weigh in because I am in the mood to write. To be upfront I haven't killed and elk in like 4 years but when I was more physically able it was an every year thing. I hunt Modern rifle and feel I am too old to change. Every elk I have killed has been south of the Queets to north of Hoguiam so there are my credentials.
First of all there are a lot less elk. I'm guessing maybe a third of what there was in my heyday. Back then and I believe it is still true you needed to be able to read sign and track elk. Most of the time you would get on some elk and basically track them down. If lucky you would get a look before they jumped. Often that one cow would be staring at you before you saw the rest and away they would go. The chase was on and mostly if you didn't get a look for the first or second time they stopped it wasn't going to happen.
Occasionally you would see them in a clearcut but I only killed one elk in a clearcut and that was 7 miles behind a gate until more recently when I have got a couple in clearcuts. Never by glassing though.
Where are the elk? Where to hunt? I think that boils down to a lot of time preseason scouting. I trapped all winter and would go where I had seen elk while out the year before trapping.
Things have changed now though. A lot less elk and they are wilder. You jump them they just keep going and don't stop often, plus there is a lot more brush. The elk kept the brush down and now there are not enough to do that. I still depend on sign and try to track elk but if they go into a patch of doghair I often circle the perimeter and this is a time I think clearcuts hold promise in the morning. You have an idea where the elk are and they have to eat.
Best advise I can give is learn how to read sign. When you find fresh sign go from there. If there is timber you can track them. If brush you might have to make an educated guess where they might come out. They can go a long way in a day or night though so don't get hung up on some tracks that are a couple days old. Easy to do depending on the weather.
For what it's worth, probably no help to a bow hunter or maybe not anyone.

[Viking360]

I wouldnt leave your binos at home, 2 years ago on the coast I came over a slight knob in the dark timber and spotted a big blonde body 50 yards in front of me, his head was behind a tree and i couldnt tell if it was a bull or not. It took me about 5 mins of looking though my binos to find the 3rd point because of the tree and how dark his antlers were. Once I confirmed the 3rd point I shot him with my ML and he didnt go 20 yards. Up in the higher elevations of where you are talking about there is not much under brush so you can see a ways as well as some older clear cuts in areas that you will want binos.

[Alchase]

I would also add, in thick brush or heavy timber, if you can smell them, you are very close, but you have to see them without getting busted first to kill them.

[2MANY]

Probably the best advice I could give would be to drive through Packwood and Randle slightly over the speed limit.
Probably kill one your first year.

[Alchase]

Probably the best advice I could give would be to drive through Packwood and Randle slightly over the speed limit.
Probably kill one your first year.

Classic!

[Hectocotylus]

I'll weigh in because I am in the mood to write. To be upfront I haven't killed and elk in like 4 years but when I was more physically able it was an every year thing. I hunt Modern rifle and feel I am too old to change. Every elk I have killed has been south of the Queets to north of Hoguiam so there are my credentials.
First of all there are a lot less elk. I'm guessing maybe a third of what there was in my heyday. Back then and I believe it is still true you needed to be able to read sign and track elk. Most of the time you would get on some elk and basically track them down. If lucky you would get a look before they jumped. Often that one cow would be staring at you before you saw the rest and away they would go. The chase was on and mostly if you didn't get a look for the first or second time they stopped it wasn't going to happen.
Occasionally you would see them in a clearcut but I only killed one elk in a clearcut and that was 7 miles behind a gate until more recently when I have got a couple in clearcuts. Never by glassing though.
Where are the elk? Where to hunt? I think that boils down to a lot of time preseason scouting. I trapped all winter and would go where I had seen elk while out the year before trapping.
Things have changed now though. A lot less elk and they are wilder. You jump them they just keep going and don't stop often, plus there is a lot more brush. The elk kept the brush down and now there are not enough to do that. I still depend on sign and try to track elk but if they go into a patch of doghair I often circle the perimeter and this is a time I think clearcuts hold promise in the morning. You have an idea where the elk are and they have to eat.
Best advise I can give is learn how to read sign. When you find fresh sign go from there. If there is timber you can track them. If brush you might have to make an educated guess where they might come out. They can go a long way in a day or night though so don't get hung up on some tracks that are a couple days old. Easy to do depending on the weather.
For what it's worth, probably no help to a bow hunter or maybe not anyone.

Thanks for the write up. Makes some sense


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[Rugsnfeathers]

All very good advice and very spot on!  I used to work in Grays Harbor county for 10 years and lived in Montesano.  The last Rosie elk I harvested was back in 2003, it was a raghorn and during modern rifle season.  I am going back this year to hunt the area, 20 years later.   Since I left Grays Harbor, I've only hunted solely the eastern side of the cascades for deer, bear and elk.  I am mentoring 3 new young hunters that have never hunted elk or deer, mostly duck hunters.  I gave them the option whether to hunt eastern or western, and they all want to go western.  So be it!  Before we made some scouting trips and setting up cameras, I warned them that in November, a western WA elk hunt is going to be miserable - rain, density, terrain, etc.  Boy oh Boy was I surprised on how different things looked last month checking out my old stomping grounds.  I'll admit, it was very discouraging.  Just the density and thickness alone, where there were trails I used to walk/hunt, you can't even go through it and just overtaken by thick brush.  Closed gates and posted signs also added to the dampening effect.  However, that didn't kill the spirit of the group as we rounded driving through a bend on the road, we saw a herd of elk about a dozen cross from high ground to lower ground.  Yes, elk is still around!