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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2022, 02:21:03 PM »
If you really want to get the attention of those concerned, start making public information requests for copies of reports, notes from meeting, emails, text messages, memos, policy directives, etc. from each Commission member, and whomever the WDFW contact person is they report to or get reported from. 

You can even do one for Inslee and any information emails, memos, etc regarding spring bear, cougar hunting or any other hunting related topics. 

This will get their attention, I assure you.



But what would be best is if multiple people submitted requests for the same information.  Legally they cannot ignore any request without danger of having to pay out money to the requester for not complying with the law. 

If several dozen different people start asking for the same stuff, it is going to raise someone's blood pressure...a lot!

If you want to make a wheel squeak and not have it brushed aside, this is the way to go!

Yes, it will cost a little bit, but the fees for copying stuff and mailing (or pick it up in person if you like) is small, usually a few cents per page for photocopies and postage.


Just to let you know I am speaking from experience, I just went through this with a department of Thurston Co. 

Started a Junk Vehicle inspection request in July, their website says up to a couple months to complete the process.  Called in Sept just to simply see where I was in the process, first voicemail was ignored, second call was a bit more serious sounding and that one was returned and got the inspector to actually come out and look at the vehicles, then nothing further. 

Another voicemail message in Oct was ignored, so Early Nov, I submitted a Public Information Request for the status of my Junk Vehicle Inspection request.  In about 3 days I had a call from the inspector and about a week later my paperwork arrived in the mail. 

Had I not used the Public Information Request Law, I would most likely still not have my paperwork. 

So, in short, one person making one request was able to force them to do their job, imagine the attention it will generate amongst WDFW and the Commission if 2 or 3 dozen requests come in asking for the same information...

Also by making requests for the same information, they must send the exact same information to each requester or they will be in violation of the law. 


SQUEAK....SQUEAK....SQUEAK....
I just wanna see Commission members emails for the past two years.
You know there is some dirt in there.

I put in a PRR in Feb of 2021 for "all of Lorna Smith's work and personal emails containing the keywords (hunt, hunter, and hunting) from her first year on the Commission.

I've just received the first installment, after 3 "delays". The content thus far is useless - it's just forwarded emails from the public to her wdfw email address commenting on pro/anti spring bear positions - zero emails from or to her personal account so far.

I'm not sure PRR's change anybody's blood pressure - my experience is that they put you in a queue and hide anything good behind the privacy protections in the RCW. Unless you have the funds and motivation to employ an attorney I'm not sure how useful it is.

Not to discourage others - I will be submitting a PRR for all of Smith and Rowland's correspondence with Samantha Bruegger with Washington Wildlife First.

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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2022, 06:57:49 PM »
Don’t say “ever again”…

Things are being worked on. Keep up the fight.

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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2022, 04:57:17 PM »
Don’t say “ever again”…

Things are being worked on. Keep up the fight.

"Never give an inch." ~ Henry Stamper

Gotta keep fighting.

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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2022, 07:25:12 PM »
keep fighting is right!  Anytime we can educate someone about hunting, wildlife management, predator control its a win.  I just explained the North American model of wildlife conservation to a few people at work and it was amazing to them. They were really interested and agreed with it.  Neither of these people were hunters and I would consider them swing voters as far as politics go. 

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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2022, 08:07:32 PM »
I almost submitted a PRR once, my thought was to not only include e-mails but also a schedule of all calls, meetings, etc.  Essentially see who they are talking with.

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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2022, 08:14:21 PM »
At the risk of people calling me out...

It's important to fight the battles in front of you with the wisdom gained from previous losses. If we hyperfocus on spring bear for another 2 years, I doubt we'd win it back- and simultaneously they'd probably do more damage in plenty of other areas. Look no further than the current commission talks on the GMP, beaver trapping or the proposed conservation policy. It's a blitzkrieg now, we're going to need to be proactive, strategic and observant.

The spring bear is moving into a longer, and more complex stage where individual action might be less impactful and could be better served watching and acting in new fights.  We also need to be smart and tactful in how we engage. It's important to be passionate but never rude or hostile- it'll get used against us.

The best thing any one individual can do is join one of these groups: https://nwsportsmanmag.com/new-wa-fish-and-wildlife-conservation-partnership-launched/

It's going to be a long uphill battle and spring bear was the first confrontation. Suit up and prepare for a long trip.

They're organizing, communicating and planning- and executing strategies utilizing unique strengths to each org.
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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2022, 08:53:06 PM »
Several bad and illegal actions took place over the spring bear fiasco. The fact is those are Symptoms not Causes.  IMO the root of the problem are the bad commissioners, their illegal appointments and the fact they are not confirmed by the senate.

Sportsmen NEED to join Advocacy groups. Groups that have a history for fighting for sportsmen, and aren't afraid to mix it up with the Department or the State. If you are a member of a sportsmen club you NEED to make sure you have some one that will advocate for sportsmen. If you dont have one... YOU need to be that person.
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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2022, 11:08:37 AM »
Just went thru the 2021 spring bear harvest reports.  117 permits were not reported.  258 of the spring permits reported apparently didn't hunt.  Lost opportunity for someone else, incorrect reporting, or did non-hunters apply?  Drawing and not hunting doesn't reflect well on the interest in spring bear.  Hunter success % calculated off number reported as hunting.  Just observations while killing time. :dunno:
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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2022, 11:21:59 AM »
Just went thru the 2021 spring bear harvest reports.  117 permits were not reported.  258 of the spring permits reported apparently didn't hunt.  Lost opportunity for someone else, incorrect reporting, or did non-hunters apply?  Drawing and not hunting doesn't reflect well on the interest in spring bear.  Hunter success % calculated off number reported as hunting.  Just observations while killing time. :dunno:
I don't know if those are correct numbers.
But YES that was one big reason why this hunt has always been sustainable.
Very low success rate.

No reason to take it away,when very few bears get harvested.

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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2022, 11:22:16 AM »
Ya, there was a lot of contention with folks buying spring draws and not hunting when successful vs folks who take it seriously...a tag that's easier to draw became harder to draw and even less hunted.  I think I got 6 pts, but I did waste my 1st spring tag during a big home moving I didn't know was going to happen when I applied.  I vowed to take my next tag far more serious but wasn't even drawn again.

The answer is OTC spring bear but ya, Washington sux.

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Re: No spring black bear in Washington- ever again
« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2022, 11:43:32 AM »
Ya, there was a lot of contention with folks buying spring draws and not hunting when successful vs folks who take it seriously...a tag that's easier to draw became harder to draw and even less hunted.  I think I got 6 pts, but I did waste my 1st spring tag during a big home moving I didn't know was going to happen when I applied.  I vowed to take my next tag far more serious but wasn't even drawn again.

The answer is OTC spring bear but ya, Washington sux.

YA I was drawn 1 time ,
I hunted a lot,every chance I got.
Did see a few bears ,just couldn't make it happen.
It helped I lived in the unit I was drawn for.
It definitely wasn't a slam dunk hunt,but had fun,seen some bear,enjoyed the spring weather,spotting up other game in the spring from a distance is always fun too.

Does suck.

 


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