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Lemmings!!
« on: December 11, 2022, 08:34:17 AM »
States are letting people ban themselves from owning a gun
by: Zaid Jilani, Nexstar Media Wire

Posted: Dec 10, 2022 / 07:24 PM EST

Updated: Dec 10, 2022 / 07:24 PM EST

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(NewsNation) — "In Washington state, you can ask the state to deny you the right to buy a firearm."

This first-of-its-kind law was the brainchild of Democrat state Sen. Jamie Pedersen. Several years ago, a pair of law professors approached him with the idea of allowing people to voluntarily give up their gun rights.

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“Their basic pitch was, ‘Hey, if you give people the power to do this then folks who know that they are suffering from some sort of mental illness…. when they have a break, do harm to themselves would be empowered to prevent that by getting firearms away from them in advance,” he said.


The law — passed in 2018 — allows residents to submit a short form to their county clerk’s office in any county in the state. If they change their mind, they have to wait seven days before the county can revoke it.

Pedersen called it a valuable tool that can help prevent tragedies without outside coercion.

“It’s a libertarian kind of tool, right? It’s an option that’s available for people. So there’s nothing particularly oppressive about it,” he said.


These laws stand in contrast to “red flag laws,” where a court can step in and take away someone’s gun rights if they are viewed as a risk.

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However, the law may be so obscure that few people have used it. Pedersen said that as of a year ago, there were just 20 waivers in the system statewide. To put that in comparison, 864 people were killed by a firearm in the state in 2020, according to CDC statistics.

Still, the idea is catching on. Since Washington passed its law, additional states such as Virginia and Utah have put similar measures into place.

“I thought it was a good proactive way for people who had mental health problems or suicidal ideations can take some sort of proactive steps to prevent themselves from making some rash decisions if they were having problems controlling their meds or might have a relapse of their illness,” said Virginia state Sen. Scott Surovell, who helped author the law in his state.


Like in Washington state, few people have taken advantage of the law. Surovell estimated that last year between 30 and 40 people took advantage of the “do not sell” list.

One reason the laws may not be reaching many people is because of a lack of public awareness.

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“I think one of the big, probably the biggest issue is that people aren’t even aware that it exists,” Pedersen said.

Pedersen acknowledges shortcomings in the law’s current implementation and wants to make changes in the future. He noted, for instance, the fact that the law includes no penalty, which prevents the FBI from keeping the prohibited person in the national instant background check system.


One proposal he’s thinking about is making it a civil infraction to violate the waiver.

Second, Pedersen wants to expand public knowledge about the law.

“We’re also planning to add language that would actually encourage mental health professionals to talk with their patients about the availability of the voluntary waiver,” he said.

To Surovell, the Virginia state senator, the positive feedback he’s received is evidence that the law was needed.


“A lot of people don’t identify very well with people who’ve been through suicidal ideation…so it’s hard for a lot people to understand. But the people who’ve been through it, a lot of them have thanked me for putting it in,” Surovell said.


https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/states-are-letting-people-ban-themselves-from-owning-a-gun/

« Last Edit: December 14, 2022, 09:46:17 AM by Ridgeratt »

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2022, 10:06:01 AM »
I believe my God gives us our rights, they believe their god give them theirs... :bdid:
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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2022, 10:15:01 AM »
These are the people I want to see disarmed. It'll make things easier later.
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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2022, 10:18:22 AM »
The time I spent in the navy back in the 70's didn't allow me to own a weapon.
It "Entitled Me" to own it.

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2022, 11:37:41 AM »
Sounds like a great way to disarm a generation of people before their brains finish developing…lots of naive college kids out there who would do something dumb like this.

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2022, 11:58:05 AM »
Know a person who inherited their fathers guns, but he was not interested in them.  So he turned them into the Spokane Police Dept.
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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2022, 12:13:24 PM »
What exactly is the problem if an individual is mentally ill and wants to do this? Fine by me, less of a chance they shoot themselves or god forbid try to harm others.

I doubt many will use it though.

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2022, 12:40:50 PM »
What exactly is the problem if an individual is mentally ill and wants to do this? Fine by me, less ochance they shoot themselves or god forbid try to harm others.

I doubt many will use it though.
For many of us who are very close to someone who is mentally ill, especially high level bipolars, this law certainly has merits.  One day they are fairly normal and the next they can be be very effected. Someone very close to me has requested that I keep all of my guns secured because he does not trust himself on those episodic days.  Unless you are around someone like this, and have seen the problem it's a good idea to not be so judgemental.

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2022, 01:53:34 PM »
Oh I totally understand this! I banned myself from being homosexual, for decades.

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2022, 02:21:51 PM »
Is there a contest in government to see who can be the stupidest?

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2022, 02:35:46 PM »
If its only one thing this pandemic proved, ITS their a lot of SHEEP in this country!!  To dumb to see the Judas Goat leading them!!! :dunno: :dunno:
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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2022, 02:50:39 PM »
Seems like a bit of a Catch-22 situation  :dunno:
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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2022, 03:16:23 PM »
Seems like it doesn't harm anyone and may save a person's life that is dealing with suicidal thoughts or mental illness. How is this a bad thing?  Maybe I'm missing something? Or maybe OP is?   :dunno:

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2022, 03:34:02 PM »
What are the chances of getting yourself off the list without spending piles of money on lawyers, doctors & court? Facetious question, I know the answer.

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Re: Lemmings!!
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2022, 04:27:09 PM »
From the article " If they change their mind, they have to wait seven days before the county can revoke it." Revoking it takes filling out a form and showing ID.  :dunno:

 


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