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The tree hugger groups are relentless in their desire to have Grizzlies there. If only our hunting groups had as much persistence.
So as much as grizz wanders, and they havent been hunted or otherwise deterred from entering washington, why are so few acknowledged as here ? Thats a question most of us know the answer to. This whole grizz thing is as phony as it gets. Dump them here, they go north and probably get shot. Take them out of Yellowstone ecosystem to keep those numbers below the threshold agreed upon for hunting.People have ruined the Methow and will continue to in the name of making it a better place.
That was already a flash in the pan. They tried to ban horses from the Pasayten in the name of grizz bear recovery. I don't remember the years exactly but it was an Al Gore project. The back country horseman succeeded in their opposition of it. I'm sure they will try again. Grizz bears are already in the Valley, and if the country can hold them it is. Just another agenda piece, its never been about mule deer
Quote from: wolfbait on September 28, 2023, 09:09:57 PMQuote from: bigmacc on September 28, 2023, 07:51:57 PMQuote from: LDennis24 on September 28, 2023, 01:35:31 PMI only got involved in this thread because I don't understand how suddenly everyone seems to be against wintering areas for wildlife, when if you jump on a thread about shed hunting everyone screams about anybody going into the area at all because the animals will be stressed by human presence. What is with that? I can only speak for myself but I’m for a closer of wintering grounds during harsh winters. Like I said, those couple months in the dead of winter during certain years can be hell on the herd. I also think there needs to be a more diversified approach (for lack of a better word) if they(WDFW) are serious about wanting to improve deer numbers. Shutting down doe permits for awhile is a start and as said, a more aggressive approach at predator management. I would bet if all 3 were implemented, no doe harvest for 5 years, cut cougar and bear numbers by 30-40 percent and create a “sanctuary area” during December and January during harsh winters. For me anyway, I think we’d see a significant increase in herd numbers in 5-8 years. All user groups would have to give a little. The winter recreationalists would loose some access, hunters would loose their doe tags and predators would be thinned.I didn’t mention wolves being thinned because I doubt that they are going to do anything about wolf populations in the valley, yet. Could that be used as a compromise from hunters? Who knows but for now I’d sure take a healthy reduction in cats and bears as that compromise. Bottom line, a healthy herd with growing numbers is good for everyone, hunters AND their beloved wolf………. I don’t want to loose our hunting in this valley and I want the herd to grow and be healthy for future generations to hunt, I have better ideas but WDFW doesn’t want to hear them, trust me🤣😆🤣That closure would be Twisp, Winthrop and the river bottoms-2008 we fed over a hundred head with our broncs, last winter we had 23 at the most and those 23 bounced back and forth from town when the wolves come through. On a good saddle horse I can ride to town cross country in 15 minutes. Remember what the wolves did to the Lolo elk herd, or the Yellowstone.What the article that start this thread along with WDFW did was throw out the emotional hook. They gave the illusion that they actually gave a dam about the deer, but their actions of the present and past prove them liars. They made the closure about helping the deer, it's a joke on those who already know the score, and for those who know nothing, it gives them hope.It creates a great discussion on how to save the deer herds, but nothing will change for the deer, they will still be run through the predator slaughter house, and WDFW will continue to issue doe permits and have their usual deer season till there are no deer left to hunt.My question would be, what's the next closure and the BS reasoning behind it? How much of a closure will they need to save the grizzly bears?We were watching some home movies the other night of the 50's and 60's and the huge deer herds. The Methow will never see deer like that agin, those days disappeared with the Game Department. And the creation of the Wildlife Dept!
Quote from: bigmacc on September 28, 2023, 07:51:57 PMQuote from: LDennis24 on September 28, 2023, 01:35:31 PMI only got involved in this thread because I don't understand how suddenly everyone seems to be against wintering areas for wildlife, when if you jump on a thread about shed hunting everyone screams about anybody going into the area at all because the animals will be stressed by human presence. What is with that? I can only speak for myself but I’m for a closer of wintering grounds during harsh winters. Like I said, those couple months in the dead of winter during certain years can be hell on the herd. I also think there needs to be a more diversified approach (for lack of a better word) if they(WDFW) are serious about wanting to improve deer numbers. Shutting down doe permits for awhile is a start and as said, a more aggressive approach at predator management. I would bet if all 3 were implemented, no doe harvest for 5 years, cut cougar and bear numbers by 30-40 percent and create a “sanctuary area” during December and January during harsh winters. For me anyway, I think we’d see a significant increase in herd numbers in 5-8 years. All user groups would have to give a little. The winter recreationalists would loose some access, hunters would loose their doe tags and predators would be thinned.I didn’t mention wolves being thinned because I doubt that they are going to do anything about wolf populations in the valley, yet. Could that be used as a compromise from hunters? Who knows but for now I’d sure take a healthy reduction in cats and bears as that compromise. Bottom line, a healthy herd with growing numbers is good for everyone, hunters AND their beloved wolf………. I don’t want to loose our hunting in this valley and I want the herd to grow and be healthy for future generations to hunt, I have better ideas but WDFW doesn’t want to hear them, trust me🤣😆🤣That closure would be Twisp, Winthrop and the river bottoms-2008 we fed over a hundred head with our broncs, last winter we had 23 at the most and those 23 bounced back and forth from town when the wolves come through. On a good saddle horse I can ride to town cross country in 15 minutes. Remember what the wolves did to the Lolo elk herd, or the Yellowstone.What the article that start this thread along with WDFW did was throw out the emotional hook. They gave the illusion that they actually gave a dam about the deer, but their actions of the present and past prove them liars. They made the closure about helping the deer, it's a joke on those who already know the score, and for those who know nothing, it gives them hope.It creates a great discussion on how to save the deer herds, but nothing will change for the deer, they will still be run through the predator slaughter house, and WDFW will continue to issue doe permits and have their usual deer season till there are no deer left to hunt.My question would be, what's the next closure and the BS reasoning behind it? How much of a closure will they need to save the grizzly bears?We were watching some home movies the other night of the 50's and 60's and the huge deer herds. The Methow will never see deer like that agin, those days disappeared with the Game Department.
Quote from: LDennis24 on September 28, 2023, 01:35:31 PMI only got involved in this thread because I don't understand how suddenly everyone seems to be against wintering areas for wildlife, when if you jump on a thread about shed hunting everyone screams about anybody going into the area at all because the animals will be stressed by human presence. What is with that? I can only speak for myself but I’m for a closer of wintering grounds during harsh winters. Like I said, those couple months in the dead of winter during certain years can be hell on the herd. I also think there needs to be a more diversified approach (for lack of a better word) if they(WDFW) are serious about wanting to improve deer numbers. Shutting down doe permits for awhile is a start and as said, a more aggressive approach at predator management. I would bet if all 3 were implemented, no doe harvest for 5 years, cut cougar and bear numbers by 30-40 percent and create a “sanctuary area” during December and January during harsh winters. For me anyway, I think we’d see a significant increase in herd numbers in 5-8 years. All user groups would have to give a little. The winter recreationalists would loose some access, hunters would loose their doe tags and predators would be thinned.I didn’t mention wolves being thinned because I doubt that they are going to do anything about wolf populations in the valley, yet. Could that be used as a compromise from hunters? Who knows but for now I’d sure take a healthy reduction in cats and bears as that compromise. Bottom line, a healthy herd with growing numbers is good for everyone, hunters AND their beloved wolf………. I don’t want to loose our hunting in this valley and I want the herd to grow and be healthy for future generations to hunt, I have better ideas but WDFW doesn’t want to hear them, trust me🤣😆🤣
I only got involved in this thread because I don't understand how suddenly everyone seems to be against wintering areas for wildlife, when if you jump on a thread about shed hunting everyone screams about anybody going into the area at all because the animals will be stressed by human presence. What is with that?
Especially when your out there with a bow
There are probably about a dozen in the cascades as a high estimate now. I'll guestimate like the WDFW does mule deer. LOL I cant even imagine 200 of them. LOL once again, not following science but Disney. The catastrophic fires will help with feed (lightbulb) You have a complete change of attitude when hunting where there are Grizz.
Quote from: boneaddict on September 29, 2023, 11:43:20 AMThere are probably about a dozen in the cascades as a high estimate now. I'll guestimate like the WDFW does mule deer. LOL I cant even imagine 200 of them. LOL once again, not following science but Disney. The catastrophic fires will help with feed (lightbulb) You have a complete change of attitude when hunting where there are Grizz. I agree bone, I’ve seen one up that drainage I’ve told you of up north and I’ve seen one way up the Chewuch within a rocks throw of the border, well back when I had a good arm. Point being, I like you know darn well they’ve been stumbling around up north, back and forth for decades. Let them be! Why the hell do you need to bring in semi loads of them! Like I said, when they became the WDFW they became a tool for the democrat agendas, Our Governor is probably volunteering to drive the semi for ole Joe to get those S.OB,s in that turf asap.
