How to Save WA State

[highcountry_hunter]

Hey demoRATS, you voting for furguson or have you had enough?

Not much of a sales pitch.

Thought the same thing. Let me insult you then ask you for an answer to my question


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[trophyhunt]

Hey demoRATS, you voting for furguson or have you had enough?

Not much of a sales pitch.

Thought the same thing. Let me insult you then ask you for an answer to my question


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you guys are right, they should already feel stupid enough, or do they ??

[trophyhunt]

I have nothing good to say about DemoRATS, they have ruined this country much less this state! 

[Cougartail]

Hey demoRATS, you voting for furguson or have you had enough?

Not much of a sales pitch.

Thought the same thing. Let me insult you then ask you for an answer to my question


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They were never going to answer the question anyways.  They know they need their wife's permission and that isn't going to happen..

[trophyhunt]

Hey demoRATS, you voting for furguson or have you had enough?

Not much of a sales pitch.

Thought the same thing. Let me insult you then ask you for an answer to my question


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They were never going to answer the question anyways.  They know they need their wife's permission and that isn't going to happen..

yup, and I never expected an answer either, we know.

[jstone]

People will keep voting the same but complain. I have friends that do the same I tell them to change the state. Need to go back to center. Of course they are teachers

[chukardogs]

 How do you save something that doesn't want to be saved? As long as the West side has the voting #s and hunters have the sorry representation and #s that they have, the anti's win. They've been winning for a long time and they're going to keep on winning with the political environment that exists in the Pacific Northwest. It'll take years for the state's population to get tired of the Wolves, Cougars, Grizzly Bears and such killing livestock, pets and attacking the few unlucky bike riders, hikers and some old lady livin on the outskirts, feeding her chickens.   
 Washington's hunting heritage was lost back in 1996 on the day the anti's got the law about hunting bear and cougar with bait and hounds on the ballot. They knew they had the #s needed to pass the law and they've been winning ever since. They win every time a "hunter" treats someone rudely online, that doesn't see things as they do. They win every time a hunter shoots an animal on video, then jumps up and down, high fiven everyone in sight, acting as if they've just won the super bowl and then posts it. Hunters can't help themselves, especially now days where they have to make sure everyone can see what they've done on social media. I get it, I've been hunting for years. Exciting stuff! The difference is, I also know how detrimental videoing it all and spreading it around the internet is to our pastime. And seriously, is killing a deer at 300 yards with a 300 such and such a magnum really all that difficult that everyone on the internet needs to see and hear about it? C'mon, how about ya show the animal a little respect and just get busy taking care of it. Venison can actually taste really good if you get the hide off as soon as possible instead of first worrying about getting hooked up to YouTube.
 There's two groups that should matter to hunters; the hunters themselves and non-hunters, the anti's are already hypocrites and therefore not worthy of putting any effort or time into changing their minds. The Non-hunters on the other hand, are the group that hunters should be coveting. Making sure that they hear about every Wolf that kills livestock and pets. How about, instead of posting pictures of a hunters kill, post pictures of a Wolf killed deer with their belly torn out and the rest of the animal left for the scavengers. Make sure that every voter that voted to ban hound hunting and baiting gets to see the ramifications of their vote. Make sure when they see a dead deer on social media, it's a deer killed by a Wolf, Cougar or better yet, a fawn killed by a bear. Those are the pictures that the voting public need to be inundated with. Anti's and non-hunters should have to see what they've unleashed on the landscape. Hunters should be out taking photos and videos of the carnage that's been strewn across the state. Anti's don't want hunters to do what they do but they're totally fine with having wolves act as they act. Every time a rancher finds their livestock attacked and killed by predators, post it and plaster the photos on billboards all over Seattle.
 Hunters themselves have to accept that some don't see things as they do and be okay with that. Hunters have to accept that the group they're pitted against are smart, funded and driven to take their right to hunt away. Hunters have to accept that their every move is under scrutiny. That they're being watched when out and about and online. Hunters should institute programs like, Take a Non-hunter hunting and invite a non-hunter to venison dinner. Anything that can turn a few non-hunters for hunters instead of against.
 I don't know what it will take for Eastern Oregon and Washington to succeed in seceding, but if the affected people can accept losing the tax dollars the Westside generates and contributes to the rest of the state for their infrastructure and such, I think it's the only way hunting survives in the Pacific Northwest. It's sad that as a collective, hunters don't have the where with all to represent themselves in a manner that will draw non-hunters to their plight, but without the majority of non-hunters on the hunters side or at least neutral on the matter, we as hunters lose and therefore, ya might as well start the secession.
 My only request would be, any Western Washington resident that has a history of purchasing Washington state hunting licenses, gets grandfathered in for free hunting licenses for a minimum of twenty years before they're forced to purchase an out of state license. That twenty years should get me through the rest of my hunting career. Good luck out there!

[ghosthunter]

Hey demoRATS, you voting for furguson or have you had enough?

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you guys are right, they should already feel stupid enough, or do they ??

It’s sad, but they really don’t, I have a few democrats that frequent my house through my wife’s activities at a senior center. They think everything is just fine. When you try to convince them we are on the wrong path, they try to shut you down in some way.

Oh your source is wrong, or that’s not true they say.

If they are not hunters or antis they don’t have a clue what’s happening. I think they vote the way they do just to be on the winning side. Common sense will never convince them.

[bornhunter]

How do you save something that doesn't want to be saved? As long as the West side has the voting #s and hunters have the sorry representation and #s that they have, the anti's win. They've been winning for a long time and they're going to keep on winning with the political environment that exists in the Pacific Northwest. It'll take years for the state's population to get tired of the Wolves, Cougars, Grizzly Bears and such killing livestock, pets and attacking the few unlucky bike riders, hikers and some old lady livin on the outskirts, feeding her chickens.   
 Washington's hunting heritage was lost back in 1996 on the day the anti's got the law about hunting bear and cougar with bait and hounds on the ballot. They knew they had the #s needed to pass the law and they've been winning ever since. They win every time a "hunter" treats someone rudely online, that doesn't see things as they do. They win every time a hunter shoots an animal on video, then jumps up and down, high fiven everyone in sight, acting as if they've just won the super bowl and then posts it. Hunters can't help themselves, especially now days where they have to make sure everyone can see what they've done on social media. I get it, I've been hunting for years. Exciting stuff! The difference is, I also know how detrimental videoing it all and spreading it around the internet is to our pastime. And seriously, is killing a deer at 300 yards with a 300 such and such a magnum really all that difficult that everyone on the internet needs to see and hear about it? C'mon, how about ya show the animal a little respect and just get busy taking care of it. Venison can actually taste really good if you get the hide off as soon as possible instead of first worrying about getting hooked up to YouTube.
 There's two groups that should matter to hunters; the hunters themselves and non-hunters, the anti's are already hypocrites and therefore not worthy of putting any effort or time into changing their minds. The Non-hunters on the other hand, are the group that hunters should be coveting. Making sure that they hear about every Wolf that kills livestock and pets. How about, instead of posting pictures of a hunters kill, post pictures of a Wolf killed deer with their belly torn out and the rest of the animal left for the scavengers. Make sure that every voter that voted to ban hound hunting and baiting gets to see the ramifications of their vote. Make sure when they see a dead deer on social media, it's a deer killed by a Wolf, Cougar or better yet, a fawn killed by a bear. Those are the pictures that the voting public need to be inundated with. Anti's and non-hunters should have to see what they've unleashed on the landscape. Hunters should be out taking photos and videos of the carnage that's been strewn across the state. Anti's don't want hunters to do what they do but they're totally fine with having wolves act as they act. Every time a rancher finds their livestock attacked and killed by predators, post it and plaster the photos on billboards all over Seattle.
 Hunters themselves have to accept that some don't see things as they do and be okay with that. Hunters have to accept that the group they're pitted against are smart, funded and driven to take their right to hunt away. Hunters have to accept that their every move is under scrutiny. That they're being watched when out and about and online. Hunters should institute programs like, Take a Non-hunter hunting and invite a non-hunter to venison dinner. Anything that can turn a few non-hunters for hunters instead of against.
 I don't know what it will take for Eastern Oregon and Washington to succeed in seceding, but if the affected people can accept losing the tax dollars the Westside generates and contributes to the rest of the state for their infrastructure and such, I think it's the only way hunting survives in the Pacific Northwest. It's sad that as a collective, hunters don't have the where with all to represent themselves in a manner that will draw non-hunters to their plight, but without the majority of non-hunters on the hunters side or at least neutral on the matter, we as hunters lose and therefore, ya might as well start the secession.
 My only request would be, any Western Washington resident that has a history of purchasing Washington state hunting licenses, gets grandfathered in for free hunting licenses for a minimum of twenty years before they're forced to purchase an out of state license. That twenty years should get me through the rest of my hunting career. Good luck out there!

Very well said. We are our own worst enemies. When I watch a hunting show and hear guys screaming " kill em, kill em, kill em" or some big ol bull about ready to tip over and some guy saying " hit him again, hit him again" you just know how well that goes over with people. I watched a few Eastmans hunting shows on Prime last night and the only description for the program was "violence." We do need to be smarter about our ways.

[jstone]

 

[Cougartail]

If people had to slaughter their own meat all these snowflakes wouldn't  be distributed by hunting or killing.

Simple as that..

[nwwanderer]

Should give Tyson total immunity like Pfiizer then require anyone that eats to take a tour at Wallula.  Cheap food you know

[Humptulips]

How do you save something that doesn't want to be saved? As long as the West side has the voting #s and hunters have the sorry representation and #s that they have, the anti's win. They've been winning for a long time and they're going to keep on winning with the political environment that exists in the Pacific Northwest. It'll take years for the state's population to get tired of the Wolves, Cougars, Grizzly Bears and such killing livestock, pets and attacking the few unlucky bike riders, hikers and some old lady livin on the outskirts, feeding her chickens.   
 Washington's hunting heritage was lost back in 1996 on the day the anti's got the law about hunting bear and cougar with bait and hounds on the ballot. They knew they had the #s needed to pass the law and they've been winning ever since. They win every time a "hunter" treats someone rudely online, that doesn't see things as they do. They win every time a hunter shoots an animal on video, then jumps up and down, high fiven everyone in sight, acting as if they've just won the super bowl and then posts it. Hunters can't help themselves, especially now days where they have to make sure everyone can see what they've done on social media. I get it, I've been hunting for years. Exciting stuff! The difference is, I also know how detrimental videoing it all and spreading it around the internet is to our pastime. And seriously, is killing a deer at 300 yards with a 300 such and such a magnum really all that difficult that everyone on the internet needs to see and hear about it? C'mon, how about ya show the animal a little respect and just get busy taking care of it. Venison can actually taste really good if you get the hide off as soon as possible instead of first worrying about getting hooked up to YouTube.
 There's two groups that should matter to hunters; the hunters themselves and non-hunters, the anti's are already hypocrites and therefore not worthy of putting any effort or time into changing their minds. The Non-hunters on the other hand, are the group that hunters should be coveting. Making sure that they hear about every Wolf that kills livestock and pets. How about, instead of posting pictures of a hunters kill, post pictures of a Wolf killed deer with their belly torn out and the rest of the animal left for the scavengers. Make sure that every voter that voted to ban hound hunting and baiting gets to see the ramifications of their vote. Make sure when they see a dead deer on social media, it's a deer killed by a Wolf, Cougar or better yet, a fawn killed by a bear. Those are the pictures that the voting public need to be inundated with. Anti's and non-hunters should have to see what they've unleashed on the landscape. Hunters should be out taking photos and videos of the carnage that's been strewn across the state. Anti's don't want hunters to do what they do but they're totally fine with having wolves act as they act. Every time a rancher finds their livestock attacked and killed by predators, post it and plaster the photos on billboards all over Seattle.
 Hunters themselves have to accept that some don't see things as they do and be okay with that. Hunters have to accept that the group they're pitted against are smart, funded and driven to take their right to hunt away. Hunters have to accept that their every move is under scrutiny. That they're being watched when out and about and online. Hunters should institute programs like, Take a Non-hunter hunting and invite a non-hunter to venison dinner. Anything that can turn a few non-hunters for hunters instead of against.
 I don't know what it will take for Eastern Oregon and Washington to succeed in seceding, but if the affected people can accept losing the tax dollars the Westside generates and contributes to the rest of the state for their infrastructure and such, I think it's the only way hunting survives in the Pacific Northwest. It's sad that as a collective, hunters don't have the where with all to represent themselves in a manner that will draw non-hunters to their plight, but without the majority of non-hunters on the hunters side or at least neutral on the matter, we as hunters lose and therefore, ya might as well start the secession.
 My only request would be, any Western Washington resident that has a history of purchasing Washington state hunting licenses, gets grandfathered in for free hunting licenses for a minimum of twenty years before they're forced to purchase an out of state license. That twenty years should get me through the rest of my hunting career. Good luck out there!

Hunting is really peripheral to the politics in the State. We think that is a driver because we are so tied to hunting that we are thinking of it all the time. In actuality I doubt there are very few who make a choice on their ballot because of some perception about hunting.
I think the demographic split in the State has more to do with how people vote. Working class are swinging more Republican as the populist takeover of the Republican party progresses. College educated suburban voters are going to continue to vote Democratic. Older voters that while gradually becoming more Conservative will continue to follow their previous voting patterns. Young working class voters are where the opportunity lies. Traditionally that was a Democratic base but Republicans should focus their policies on this group. It is trending more Republican then ever. Focus on lifestyle and job opportunity issues and Register and get out these votes.

[baldopepper]

How do you save something that doesn't want to be saved? As long as the West side has the voting #s and hunters have the sorry representation and #s that they have, the anti's win. They've been winning for a long time and they're going to keep on winning with the political environment that exists in the Pacific Northwest. It'll take years for the state's population to get tired of the Wolves, Cougars, Grizzly Bears and such killing livestock, pets and attacking the few unlucky bike riders, hikers and some old lady livin on the outskirts, feeding her chickens.   
 Washington's hunting heritage was lost back in 1996 on the day the anti's got the law about hunting bear and cougar with bait and hounds on the ballot. They knew they had the #s needed to pass the law and they've been winning ever since. They win every time a "hunter" treats someone rudely online, that doesn't see things as they do. They win every time a hunter shoots an animal on video, then jumps up and down, high fiven everyone in sight, acting as if they've just won the super bowl and then posts it. Hunters can't help themselves, especially now days where they have to make sure everyone can see what they've done on social media. I get it, I've been hunting for years. Exciting stuff! The difference is, I also know how detrimental videoing it all and spreading it around the internet is to our pastime. And seriously, is killing a deer at 300 yards with a 300 such and such a magnum really all that difficult that everyone on the internet needs to see and hear about it? C'mon, how about ya show the animal a little respect and just get busy taking care of it. Venison can actually taste really good if you get the hide off as soon as possible instead of first worrying about getting hooked up to YouTube.
 There's two groups that should matter to hunters; the hunters themselves and non-hunters, the anti's are already hypocrites and therefore not worthy of putting any effort or time into changing their minds. The Non-hunters on the other hand, are the group that hunters should be coveting. Making sure that they hear about every Wolf that kills livestock and pets. How about, instead of posting pictures of a hunters kill, post pictures of a Wolf killed deer with their belly torn out and the rest of the animal left for the scavengers. Make sure that every voter that voted to ban hound hunting and baiting gets to see the ramifications of their vote. Make sure when they see a dead deer on social media, it's a deer killed by a Wolf, Cougar or better yet, a fawn killed by a bear. Those are the pictures that the voting public need to be inundated with. Anti's and non-hunters should have to see what they've unleashed on the landscape. Hunters should be out taking photos and videos of the carnage that's been strewn across the state. Anti's don't want hunters to do what they do but they're totally fine with having wolves act as they act. Every time a rancher finds their livestock attacked and killed by predators, post it and plaster the photos on billboards all over Seattle.
 Hunters themselves have to accept that some don't see things as they do and be okay with that. Hunters have to accept that the group they're pitted against are smart, funded and driven to take their right to hunt away. Hunters have to accept that their every move is under scrutiny. That they're being watched when out and about and online. Hunters should institute programs like, Take a Non-hunter hunting and invite a non-hunter to venison dinner. Anything that can turn a few non-hunters for hunters instead of against.
 I don't know what it will take for Eastern Oregon and Washington to succeed in seceding, but if the affected people can accept losing the tax dollars the Westside generates and contributes to the rest of the state for their infrastructure and such, I think it's the only way hunting survives in the Pacific Northwest. It's sad that as a collective, hunters don't have the where with all to represent themselves in a manner that will draw non-hunters to their plight, but without the majority of non-hunters on the hunters side or at least neutral on the matter, we as hunters lose and therefore, ya might as well start the secession.
 My only request would be, any Western Washington resident that has a history of purchasing Washington state hunting licenses, gets grandfathered in for free hunting licenses for a minimum of twenty years before they're forced to purchase an out of state license. That twenty years should get me through the rest of my hunting career. Good luck out there!

Hunting is really peripheral to the politics in the State. We think that is a driver because we are so tied to hunting that we are thinking of it all the time. In actuality I doubt there are very few who make a choice on their ballot because of some perception about hunting.
I think the demographic split in the State has more to do with how people vote. Working class are swinging more Republican as the populist takeover of the Republican party progresses. College educated suburban voters are going to continue to vote Democratic. Older voters that while gradually becoming more Conservative will continue to follow their previous voting patterns. Young working class voters are where the opportunity lies. Traditionally that was a Democratic base but Republicans should focus their policies on this group. It is trending more Republican then ever. Focus on lifestyle and job opportunity issues and Register and get out these votes.

True to a point. Not sure what you consider the working class, assuming.you are thinking the blue collar trades.  That class of job is unfortunately shrinking and the influx of newer young arrivals on the west side are predominately tech oriented workers. Hunting issues are, for the most part, nowhere to be seen on  their voting priorities. Many are outdoor enthusiasts, but don't include shooting sports.  Appealing to them is the challenge.

[Humptulips]

How do you save something that doesn't want to be saved? As long as the West side has the voting #s and hunters have the sorry representation and #s that they have, the anti's win. They've been winning for a long time and they're going to keep on winning with the political environment that exists in the Pacific Northwest. It'll take years for the state's population to get tired of the Wolves, Cougars, Grizzly Bears and such killing livestock, pets and attacking the few unlucky bike riders, hikers and some old lady livin on the outskirts, feeding her chickens.   
 Washington's hunting heritage was lost back in 1996 on the day the anti's got the law about hunting bear and cougar with bait and hounds on the ballot. They knew they had the #s needed to pass the law and they've been winning ever since. They win every time a "hunter" treats someone rudely online, that doesn't see things as they do. They win every time a hunter shoots an animal on video, then jumps up and down, high fiven everyone in sight, acting as if they've just won the super bowl and then posts it. Hunters can't help themselves, especially now days where they have to make sure everyone can see what they've done on social media. I get it, I've been hunting for years. Exciting stuff! The difference is, I also know how detrimental videoing it all and spreading it around the internet is to our pastime. And seriously, is killing a deer at 300 yards with a 300 such and such a magnum really all that difficult that everyone on the internet needs to see and hear about it? C'mon, how about ya show the animal a little respect and just get busy taking care of it. Venison can actually taste really good if you get the hide off as soon as possible instead of first worrying about getting hooked up to YouTube.
 There's two groups that should matter to hunters; the hunters themselves and non-hunters, the anti's are already hypocrites and therefore not worthy of putting any effort or time into changing their minds. The Non-hunters on the other hand, are the group that hunters should be coveting. Making sure that they hear about every Wolf that kills livestock and pets. How about, instead of posting pictures of a hunters kill, post pictures of a Wolf killed deer with their belly torn out and the rest of the animal left for the scavengers. Make sure that every voter that voted to ban hound hunting and baiting gets to see the ramifications of their vote. Make sure when they see a dead deer on social media, it's a deer killed by a Wolf, Cougar or better yet, a fawn killed by a bear. Those are the pictures that the voting public need to be inundated with. Anti's and non-hunters should have to see what they've unleashed on the landscape. Hunters should be out taking photos and videos of the carnage that's been strewn across the state. Anti's don't want hunters to do what they do but they're totally fine with having wolves act as they act. Every time a rancher finds their livestock attacked and killed by predators, post it and plaster the photos on billboards all over Seattle.
 Hunters themselves have to accept that some don't see things as they do and be okay with that. Hunters have to accept that the group they're pitted against are smart, funded and driven to take their right to hunt away. Hunters have to accept that their every move is under scrutiny. That they're being watched when out and about and online. Hunters should institute programs like, Take a Non-hunter hunting and invite a non-hunter to venison dinner. Anything that can turn a few non-hunters for hunters instead of against.
 I don't know what it will take for Eastern Oregon and Washington to succeed in seceding, but if the affected people can accept losing the tax dollars the Westside generates and contributes to the rest of the state for their infrastructure and such, I think it's the only way hunting survives in the Pacific Northwest. It's sad that as a collective, hunters don't have the where with all to represent themselves in a manner that will draw non-hunters to their plight, but without the majority of non-hunters on the hunters side or at least neutral on the matter, we as hunters lose and therefore, ya might as well start the secession.
 My only request would be, any Western Washington resident that has a history of purchasing Washington state hunting licenses, gets grandfathered in for free hunting licenses for a minimum of twenty years before they're forced to purchase an out of state license. That twenty years should get me through the rest of my hunting career. Good luck out there!

Hunting is really peripheral to the politics in the State. We think that is a driver because we are so tied to hunting that we are thinking of it all the time. In actuality I doubt there are very few who make a choice on their ballot because of some perception about hunting.
I think the demographic split in the State has more to do with how people vote. Working class are swinging more Republican as the populist takeover of the Republican party progresses. College educated suburban voters are going to continue to vote Democratic. Older voters that while gradually becoming more Conservative will continue to follow their previous voting patterns. Young working class voters are where the opportunity lies. Traditionally that was a Democratic base but Republicans should focus their policies on this group. It is trending more Republican then ever. Focus on lifestyle and job opportunity issues and Register and get out these votes.

True to a point. Not sure what you consider the working class, assuming.you are thinking the blue collar trades.  That class of job is unfortunately shrinking and the influx of newer young arrivals on the west side are predominately tech oriented workers. Hunting issues are, for the most part, nowhere to be seen on  their voting priorities. Many are outdoor enthusiasts, but don't include shooting sports.  Appealing to them is the challenge.

I would not have said this in the past but I think you can legitimately say a lot of the tech oriented workers could be called working class. Working class doesn't have to mean blue collar. It could mean non-management workers.