Idaho on the verge of outlawing

[Seabass]

I was a 40+ year WA resident, now an ID resident of almost 5 years. I understand how you guys have the “don’t give an inch” mentality because of what has happened in that state. When I lived in WA I used both cameras and bait for hunting WT with a bow. I did it because it made me a way more effective killer. I always argued against the banning of anything because it was my belief that WA would ban hunting of any kind if they could but if they had to take things one item at a time it would take longer.

I’m in the middle of my 4th ID hunting season. Obviously, I haven’t used bait for deer but I haven’t used any of my 20+ trail cameras either. I decided when I got here that I wanted to “start over” with hunting. Personally, it had turned into something that I never intended it to. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming….they already have advantages to the hunter when compared to places like WA.

Long seasons, choice of weapon, and abundant game being managed by an agency that believes in hunting backed by the protection of a state constitution. Residents of ID can hunt deer from 8-30 until 12-24 with some sort of weapon. We can hunt elk for some period of time in that same frame. We can hunt bear somewhere in the state for 7 months AND hunt over bait in many units. Cats, wolves….same deal. We have ample opportunity in Idaho!

If we ban the use of cell cameras for some period of time during a season IT IS NOT the beginning of the end nor is it “taking something” from your fellow hunter. All technology is an advantage in every situation. I don’t know where the line should be drawn but there needs to be a line.

[CarbonHunter]

So progressive of Idaho.

I agree. If they create these kind of rules next thing you know they’ll be just another Montana with more restrictive hunting seasons. Shameful 

[goldenhtr]

Kodiak06 is right, it’s just another form of technology.  Hunters against hunters yet again.  Muzzloaders shoot 300+ yards with just 1x scope, much further w more power scopes. 1000 yard rifles now, and so on.  does a cell camera have a more negative effect or advantage on wildlife than any of the other tech?  When it comes to banning stuff w hunting, I’ll lean more on the side of the hunting and less the feelings.

 

[goldenhtr]

I’m a Bow Hunter.  I think modern firearms/muzzy are to easy. Let’s ban them.

I’m a Rifle Hunter. I think Archery/muzzy wounds too many critters. Let’s ban it.

I’m a Muzzy Hunter.    Hell let’s ban muzzy too then.

End result…….

.NOBODY hunts.

Every single “takeaway” is just one step closer to the END of hunting period.


If you can’t understand that ….,….you are part of the problem.

[fishngamereaper]

The same advisory group is recommending regulation's on Ariel devices, ie drones, smart optics and a few other things.

Would restrictions on those be deemed devisive.
Genuinely curious if people have a line in the sand for technology or not.

And this isn't a new mindset.
Several states have already banned cell cams, trail cams completely and a range of technology.
And if I recall P&Y and BC don't recognize animals taken by use of cell cams.

[Humptulips]

If they are going to outlaw them, I would hope there is an exception for trappers to use them for trap monitoring devices.

[Machias]

So what is everyone's favorite trail camera, that is not cellular.  I enjoy running cameras for the photos and videos.  I'll switch them out with regular, non-cellular, trail cameras once this ban goes into effect. I'm also hoping they allow them for bear baiting, but will abide by the rules if they do not.

I am hoping they allow them for trapping.  I know several wolf trappers that will be adversely affected if they cannot run them during trapping season.

[EnglishSetter]

That's bs.
I know guys who literally sit on the couch and wait until the big bear hits their bait and then go in to kill it.
It's straight up lazy, cheating, and not hunting in their case.

Sounds like they should just regulate transmission time then.

A law needs to be enforceable.  How would you enforce transmission time?

Just my observation, but cell cams effectively made the number of cams infinite.  I've read of outfitters who have hundreds of cams.

They found a way to require ID for “certain websites” in the state. Are you saying there is no way to enforce transmission times?

Yes

[EnglishSetter]

Heck I have 8 or so cell cameras and not one of them have help me kill a critter.  You guys need to point me in the right direction of where a cell camera and a cell phone work and there are deer and elk around 

Curious.  If they haven't benefitted your success, why do you run them?

If I had a couple hundred cell cams, could I pattern a specific animal?

[Crunchy]

I run them just to see critters, I usually leave a couple down in Oregon all year.  I have hunted the same general area down there for 20 years.  there is only one small patch I know down there that a cell camera works and it is maybe a 1/4 mile square if that.  Ive gotten nice bulls, wolves, lynx, nice deer, and bear.  I should have the ones I use for deer out but haven't made it out yet.  I will put a couple out for deer and leave those out till spring or summer next year.

Today it is cell cameras tomorrow LIVE SCAN or LIVE SCOPE for fishing.

[2MANY]

Straight up cheating by a predator that is a million times more intelligent than their prey.

[NOCK NOCK]

I’m going to hurt some feelings. If you don’t think cell cameras impact a persons odds of killing game, you’re a bad hunter. Cell cameras impact hunters decision making in real time. Guy wakes up to hunt, plans to head to property A, has photos at property B of animals moving in to bedding. He changes plans and heads to B and hunts a travel corridor between bedding and feed, kills target animal. 99% of people are running their cell cams with 1 check in a day. Minus update immediately and will last 6 months with lithium batteries.

This whole “another thing we lose” argument is an excuse. We didn’t have cellular cameras just over a decade ago. This is a case of a new tech item, a privilege, we aren’t using them responsibly and therefore a course correction should be made. Want to run cell cameras in the off season, 100% support, want to run regular cameras during season, absolutely. But we shouldn’t have access to real time data in the woods, from our couch.

Generalize and stereotype much? 

The "wake up/ get notification/ travel too said spot/ get in to spot/ kill animal" is an excuse too. It just doesn't happen that easy, if ever.

Not sure, guess I'm a "bad" hunter. Do I think that cell cams impact a fellow's odds of killing game? Yup, but I would argue it hurts your odds........But what do I know....FWIW, I'm 60 years old, hunted since 12, have killed a deer in all but 1 year in WA ST, multiple deer some years in other states, plenty of elk, bears, cougar, moose, all variety of birds, countless yotes.......NONE of them aided by a cell cam.


I believe you're just not seeing/understanding my point. YES, tech needs to be regulated.....but based on science and likelihood of the tech ACTUALLY working in detriment to the critters.

One question FnF, do you have any experience with cell cams? (Have you used them)

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Of course cameras add to the success or folks wouldn’t use them.  Kinda a no brainer....my son uses them all the time and he has every deer pegged within a mile of our ranch.  I never got into them because I like hunting.  In my mind there is no reason to even associate cameras with hunting.  It’s actually a brand new concept compared to the history of hunting.  I think they all should be banned, at least during the season.  Hunting was never meant to be easy.  I think it made me a better hunter growing up without them.  Patterning a animal by using a camera is pure lazy and not a fair chase.  Any goofball can do that!  Leave hunting to the hunters and picture taking to the photographers.  Once cell cameras came on the scene it really opened up everything as acceptable.  My neighbor just killed a nice bull next to our property pretty much only due to his camera.  No one even knew the bull was in there until my son and him saw the bull on camera. 
It’s profound to me you can be watching a football game get a bling on the ole phone during a season you had no intention hunting.  Go down to the store buy a tag cause you know your about to go shoot an animal your cell phone just sent you a pic of.  But hey, it’s legal I guess.  Doesn’t always make it the coolest thing in the world to do, heck half my buddies are doing it.  It would be hard to brag about it...

[kodiak06]

So what is everyone's favorite trail camera, that is not cellular.  I enjoy running cameras for the photos and videos.  I'll switch them out with regular, non-cellular, trail cameras once this ban goes into effect. I'm also hoping they allow them for bear baiting, but will abide by the rules if they do not.

I am hoping they allow them for trapping.  I know several wolf trappers that will be adversely affected if they cannot run them during trapping season.

My favorite is any clearance cams or the tascos from wal mart. Not a huge loss if stolen. Half these guys complaining are more likely the same ones screwing with other peoples cams/stands lol

[Feathernfurr]

I’m going to hurt some feelings. If you don’t think cell cameras impact a persons odds of killing game, you’re a bad hunter. Cell cameras impact hunters decision making in real time. Guy wakes up to hunt, plans to head to property A, has photos at property B of animals moving in to bedding. He changes plans and heads to B and hunts a travel corridor between bedding and feed, kills target animal. 99% of people are running their cell cams with 1 check in a day. Minus update immediately and will last 6 months with lithium batteries.

This whole “another thing we lose” argument is an excuse. We didn’t have cellular cameras just over a decade ago. This is a case of a new tech item, a privilege, we aren’t using them responsibly and therefore a course correction should be made. Want to run cell cameras in the off season, 100% support, want to run regular cameras during season, absolutely. But we shouldn’t have access to real time data in the woods, from our couch.

Generalize and stereotype much? 

The "wake up/ get notification/ travel too said spot/ get in to spot/ kill animal" is an excuse too. It just doesn't happen that easy, if ever.

Not sure, guess I'm a "bad" hunter. Do I think that cell cams impact a fellow's odds of killing game? Yup, but I would argue it hurts your odds........But what do I know....FWIW, I'm 60 years old, hunted since 12, have killed a deer in all but 1 year in WA ST, multiple deer some years in other states, plenty of elk, bears, cougar, moose, all variety of birds, countless yotes.......NONE of them aided by a cell cam.


I believe you're just not seeing/understanding my point. YES, tech needs to be regulated.....but based on science and likelihood of the tech ACTUALLY working in detriment to the critters.

One question FnF, do you have any experience with cell cams? (Have you used them)

It is literally that easy. I do, I’ve used cell cameras for 4 years and have put 4 deer on the wall because of them. They give you real time information that influences the way you hunt. On one of those bucks I was walking to a stand and got my target buck on camera on a travel corridor, I knew exactly where he was headed, changed plans and pushed to another stand and killed him 20 minutes later. I have multiple hunting buddies, as well as guys I’ve met hunting the same public land that are having similar experiences. If you have the level of success you say you do, which I believe, then you are not using your cellular cameras correctly.

Cell cameras, used well, in the hands of dedicated hunters that know how to scout and read sign, absolutely lead to increased success, and increased success on trophy class animals. I’ve suggested they be banned since the first year I used them. The only reason I haven’t stopped personally is because I hunt in competitive public land spots and I won’t put myself behind the 8 ball when there are others that have the advantage.