Dead buck already?

[Yak-NDN]

I must agree fair response, I am not trying to defend people in the wrong but I do not like to be in the same category as them, My tribe cant kill whales but some can, my Tribe has no bag limit some do there are differences in all tribes some good and some bad, I don't know if the Makah people were let of or not I am taking your word for it, but I do have first hand experience with them stupid news papers and they are good to read but they wright to sell papers some times bend the truth. I would not be telling the truth if I said I have not bent the rules in the past and I don't believe most on this site are half as truthful as they pretend to be. I have no problem with people that have issues with the Indians wrights hell if I was not Indian I would be pissed, lets just keep it civil.

[rezboy]

I must agree fair response, I am not trying to defend people in the wrong but I do not like to be in the same category as them, My tribe cant kill whales but some can, my Tribe has no bag limit some do there are differences in all tribes some good and some bad, I don't know if the Makah people were let of or not I am taking your word for it, but I do have first hand experience with them stupid news papers and they are good to read but they wright to sell papers some times bend the truth. I would not be telling the truth if I said I have not bent the rules in the past and I don't believe most on this site are half as truthful as they pretend to be. I have no problem with people that have issues with the Indians wrights hell if I was not Indian I would be pissed, lets just keep it civil.

No bag limit?  I freakin hate you!   

[Dmanmastertracker]

 I blame the GOV for stupid decisions in the past. If there was not enough resource to go around and split evenly to begin with, then we shouldn't have colonized Washington, what did they expect our ancestor's to live off of? No foresight of the future, I guess they had visions of McDonalds .

[rezboy]

I blame the GOV for stupid decisions in the past. If there was not enough resource to go around and split evenly to begin with, then we shouldn't have colonized Washington, what did they expect our ancestor's to live off of? No foresight of the future, I guess they had visions of McDonalds .

 

[Yak-NDN]

Rez you HATER

[teal101]

You might want to just stop Rez it never makes a difference I can tell you exactly what is going to come from this we will discuss tribal issues because someone saw someone with an animal from somewhere possibly from another state know body knows but we well all assume that a drunk Indian shot it out from under some kid and laughed at him because the kid was stalking the buck and the Indian shot from the road. HA HA. Then one of the good and not one sided administrators will lock out the thread when some one points out what bull *censored* it is and in a few week someone will say something to get the Indian bashing going again and then the open minded non racily adim will shut it down again only after someone calls *censored*.
 And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse.  They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.

The Gov. negotiated because they didn't want to eliminate a race of people, not because they couldn't.

I have no problem with indians not having bag limits or seasons, on THEIR lands.  You have your own lands, rape and pillage them.  Stay off our lands.  Don't say "well it was once our land".  Yes it was before we invaded and took it.  You don't see other nations that were taken over given rights to the land taken from them.  IMO the tribes should be very grateful they even have what they have today and respect the land. 

It is sad many people get grouped into the group of bad indian hunters, but when we see the majority of the indians being slobs, drunks, wasting gov money, wasting game, and being plain rude and disrespectful it paints a bad image.  What needs to happen is self policing inside the tribes, but as its been made clear here many times you people don't care to do that and would just rather turn a blind eye.

Sick.

[rezboy]

Damn, that was harsh.   Spend a lot of time on the Rez do ya Teal?

[EastWaViking]

I always get a chuckle when ever I drive through the Crow Indian Nation in Montana on my way to Wyoming.  I see many antelope and deer before entering the Reservation, and instantly after leaving it... but in the 20 some times I have passed through there over the years, I have never seen a deer, and only one antelope on the reservation, and he was only a mile or so from the border.  I think he was there on a dare from his friends.   

[Whitenuckles]

You might want to just stop Rez it never makes a difference I can tell you exactly what is going to come from this we will discuss tribal issues because someone saw someone with an animal from somewhere possibly from another state know body knows but we well all assume that a drunk Indian shot it out from under some kid and laughed at him because the kid was stalking the buck and the Indian shot from the road. HA HA. Then one of the good and not one sided administrators will lock out the thread when some one points out what bull *censored* it is and in a few week someone will say something to get the Indian bashing going again and then the open minded non racily adim will shut it down again only after someone calls *censored*.
 And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse.  They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.

The Gov. negotiated because they didn't want to eliminate a race of people, not because they couldn't.

I have no problem with indians not having bag limits or seasons, on THEIR lands.  You have your own lands, rape and pillage them.  Stay off our lands.  Don't say "well it was once our land".  Yes it was before we invaded and took it.  You don't see other nations that were taken over given rights to the land taken from them.  IMO the tribes should be very grateful they even have what they have today and respect the land. 

It is sad many people get grouped into the group of bad indian hunters, but when we see the majority of the indians being slobs, drunks, wasting gov money, wasting game, and being plain rude and disrespectful it paints a bad image.  What needs to happen is self policing inside the tribes, but as its been made clear here many times you people don't care to do that and would just rather turn a blind eye.

Sick.

I couldnt agree more! I saw a guy drive up to a Joe Watt feeding station, pull out his rifle, shot an 8x8, then cut the head off and drove away! This happened right in front of 4 of my freinds and I. Im talking 50 yards away from us! We called the cops and followed the guy so he didnt get away, he pulled into a gas station, and the cops were there soon after. Turns out hes an indian, and that made it ok.

I remeber an old timer talking to me about the U.S. Gov making a treaty with the indians. In that treaty it said the indians could hunt off the rez. But in the same tready, more than 3 indians together off the rez. was considered a war party and could be shot!!!!!

If the indians are so persistant in us honoring our age old treadies, why dont we honor all of it! The reason is, they want what is good for them and only that. They care nothing of making America an equal and united nation. Do you think if we were to go on their land a abuse it like like they abuse ours they wouldnt be bitching like we do!

With that said. I know there are good indians. I love there culture. But things need to change or crap like this will always be around!

[teal101]

Damn, that was harsh.   Spend a lot of time on the Rez do ya Teal?[/quote]

I try to stay away.  It sickens me driving through what could be beautiful sage land and such and only seeing 100 run down single wides, cars driven till the oil ran out then dumped, etc.  The trash is terrible up north in the colville area.  Its sick.  Thats the main rez I'm around and it sounds like its pretty much the norm.

We inquired about fishing around the Okanogan river up there.  Apparently the sloughs aren't indian lands, the indians just claim it as theirs and hold people at gun point and take their equipment for going in em.  No thanks.  *censored* like that sure doesn't give a good image.

Starting to see where the stereotype of "drunk slobbish poaching indian" comes from?  Its pretty sad everyone gets grouped as that, but like I said before, ya aint doing anything about it.

[rezboy]

You might want to just stop Rez it never makes a difference I can tell you exactly what is going to come from this we will discuss tribal issues because someone saw someone with an animal from somewhere possibly from another state know body knows but we well all assume that a drunk Indian shot it out from under some kid and laughed at him because the kid was stalking the buck and the Indian shot from the road. HA HA. Then one of the good and not one sided administrators will lock out the thread when some one points out what bull *censored* it is and in a few week someone will say something to get the Indian bashing going again and then the open minded non racily adim will shut it down again only after someone calls *censored*.
 And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse.  They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.

The Gov. negotiated because they didn't want to eliminate a race of people, not because they couldn't.

I have no problem with indians not having bag limits or seasons, on THEIR lands.  You have your own lands, rape and pillage them.  Stay off our lands.  Don't say "well it was once our land".  Yes it was before we invaded and took it.  You don't see other nations that were taken over given rights to the land taken from them.  IMO the tribes should be very grateful they even have what they have today and respect the land.  

It is sad many people get grouped into the group of bad indian hunters, but when we see the majority of the indians being slobs, drunks, wasting gov money, wasting game, and being plain rude and disrespectful it paints a bad image.  What needs to happen is self policing inside the tribes, but as its been made clear here many times you people don't care to do that and would just rather turn a blind eye.

Sick.

Damn, that was harsh.   Spend a lot of time on the Rez do ya Teal?

I try to stay away.  It sickens me driving through what could be beautiful sage land and such and only seeing 100 run down single wides, cars driven till the oil ran out then dumped, etc.  The trash is terrible up north in the colville area.  Its sick.  Thats the main rez I'm around and it sounds like its pretty much the norm.

We inquired about fishing around the Okanogan river up there.  Apparently the sloughs aren't indian lands, the indians just claim it as theirs and hold people at gun point and take their equipment for going in em.  No thanks.  *censored* like that sure doesn't give a good image.

Starting to see where the stereotype of "drunk slobbish poaching indian" comes from?  Its pretty sad everyone gets grouped as that, but like I said before, ya aint doing anything about it.

Ya.  That doesn't sound too good.  I wouldn't say it is that bad down where we live.  I've never been to the Colville rez so I wouldn't know how bad it is, which means I really don't have a right to say anything about it.  And what exactly do you think Yak and I can do?  (It's seems like your real tied up on us doing something.)  I think your putting us in a tough spot because of your animosity towards what you see closer to your home.  

And actually, the run-down places that we see belong to all races of people, not just the natives.   

[stlhdr1]

First let me start by saying I'm not trying to stir the pot.............

Here's my take on it Rezboy and you brought it up.....

It cracks me up when someone claims to be "Indian" because they are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16th.  To me an indian is a full blooded 100% indian and they deserve "their" special rights the Government signed with them.  

To take advantage of those rights is one thing, but to use the latest technology (weapons, vehicles, etc) is another thing.  I'll guarantee when the treaty was signed they had no clue how advanced this country would be.

Lastly, I have a couple friends who are 1/8th indian, they're brothers.  They laugh at the thought of using their priveledges to have special rights.  Funny part is even though they're 1/8th indian and you ask them what they are, they'll tell you they're White Americans and looking at them, you wouldn't know the difference.

Keith

[NW-GSP]

Oh yeah, I forgot, he has a bull tag too....  (once again legal, with an actual tag) 

sorry but I think the whole point is that just cause someone is native does not mean that they should be given special rights. they fought they lost get over it. No more goverment handouts

[Sportfury]

Hey Rez and Yak, it is natives like you who are going to lead the way in change of attitudes. From what I have read from all your posts you care about the fish and wildlife. What you teach your kids now will be passed on. I am sure that you are also rubbing off on your kids' friends and you keep friends with the same values as you. You might not see yourselves as leaders, but you are. Continue the good fight. Teach the values in tradition and the respect that goes with it. Pass it on to all. 

In every group there is always bad apples and somehow those bad apples always seem to make the biggest waves. Look back to when Boeing was on strike. Funny how the news crews could always pick the biggest TARD out of the group and put them on TV. I knew some of the guys and wondered how that POS got put on TV. Of course he made everyone look stupid. Then you got the guy in the grocery store, who seen the news, talking about the POS Boeing guys and how they are being so Fing selfish. The guy who shot that bull at the feeding station just for the antlers was one of them. The guys who snagged the ten year olds fish on the SKOK were another. The rednecks and tweekers that go up in the woods and trash it, so it gets shut down are more. The list goes on and on. We need to get rid of these apples because people only see the bad apples. They need policing within our own ranks. Of course change takes time. Hopefully that time is sooner than later. 

[kopfjaeger]

Yeah, I blame them for being on our land before we got here too!

There is fault to be found in everything if all you are looking for is fault. Take a few minutes and put yourself in their position; how would you like to be stripped of almost everything you are or have and then regulated by your conqueror? And if you want to talk about being "American", on a percentage basis, "Indians" have the highest record of military service than any other ethnic class. http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312140/ThinkQuest/Patty%20Jo/Native%20Americans%20in%20the%20Military.htm

I spent 8 years in the USMC and had several Native American comrades that I would be honored to share a foxhole with.

These aren't "special rights" because of "skin color". They have these rights because they were negotiated with our government when they agreed to peace. Whether that was 100 years ago or not makes no difference; these are their rights just as we have rights. What would your reaction be if you faced the loss of your 2nd amendment rights?

Don't get me wrong; I do not condone wastage or poaching, by anyone.I would be the first to defend my harvest from someone trying to take it from me, but unfortunately we see it on both sides. Bad sportsmanship is just that. The point is don't jump to conclusions because of cultural mis-perceptions. 6 deer in a truck and one guy, so what, how do you know he isn't feeding 6 families?

What it comes down to is we all want to fill our tags, and those that jump on the "unfair" band wagon, take the easy path and point at the easy targets. The problem lies with the state and federal regulations. I am a meat hunter, but because of "regulations", I am forced to be a trophy hunter. What tastes better, a bull elk or a cow elk? Ask yourself, do you hunt for the meat to live, or the rack to brag?

If you don't like how things are being run, get involved and make the changes, but don't make blanket statements condemning a portion of our society because they are actively taking advantage of the regulations afforded them. You would too if you could!

Rez and Yak, it is unfortunate that you have to face constant criticism and animosity because of a few bad apples. I appreciate the fact that you do not appear to be overly cynical or resentful towards the majority for their imposed ignorance. Rez, congrats to your boy for drawing tags, I hope he is successful in filling them.