i dont blame the outfitter.its hot down there and the bulls werent bugling much.everone i talked to said "hunt water" we did, thats for damn sure.the problem is we had the first hunt(sept 1-10) the hunt at the end of sept is the best as far as rutting going and more traditional spot and stalk. i will hunt with them again (believe it or not)when we draw arizona , we just wont hunt until the end of sept