SilkWWU, I had a Toutle rifle elk permit in '06. I can't remember for sure but, I think the permit season for there opened the same day as the westside general elk rifle season. Opening morning, while sleeping in the backseat of my truck at the end of the blacktop of a road locally refered to as the "landfill?", waiting for Weyco to unlock their gate (along with a whole bunch of other hunter's) a Weyco rep came thru (about 4:30am) honking his horn as he drove by before unlocking the gate. I couldn't find my map's but the Toutle unit western boundary was about 20 mile's in on the mainline. I think the west boundary was road #235. I too had hoped that all the side road gate's would remain closed but, alas, not the case. EVERY gate was open. While I was cleaning my elk some folk's stopped to chat (before it started raining, remember the rain's of '06? Whew!) I was surprised at how many general season (non-permit holder's) were in there driving around. To me the Toutle rifle permit is a pretty easy meat hunt. The archery permit (if there is one) would be a nice trophy tag for a Roosie IMO. I got a map at a sporting good's called Bob's? down yonder somewhere. Nice store. Spent some money there on stuff I didn't need right away but would in the future because it had that local feel to it. Some of this we've discussed thru PM but, rehashing out in the open might fetch you some info from people that know the unit. I passed on some elk first day and took the first 4-pt I saw on day 2 and never for a second regretted it, beside's, I was sitting on a sheep tag in my wallet and had a terrible itch to get to Naches!