Wolf Chat with the DFW in Seattle

[wolfbait]

This thred just gets more depressing by the day...800k for wolf management? what a disaster.  

Wait till the lawsuits start because their wolves killed someone, or personal injuries, its just a matter of time. $$$$$$$$$$

[mulehunter]

Dave, great to share and thanks for ur time.

Next year my whole family will not support wdfw.

7 in our family each paid 200 dollar worth of tags, permits, and Etc it would be 1400.00 short for them. 

I rather save my money and not for Wolves management Tools.
That's how Wdfw use  money to pay wolves pack to kill half amount worth of animals Tags that u all will not be filled.
 I noticed hunting season 2009 there is a lot of permits plus combo tags.
Sucking all ur money to build more wolves.
No thanks wdfw.   That's how we can control them....


Mulehunter    

[Little Dave]

It's too bad that it is coming to that, but I don't blame you.

If many hunters are benched for a few years, those of us that are will not be losing our interest in conservation.  We will have more time to expose the wolf introduction for the fraud that it is.

[WAcoyotehunter]

When they went and got these wolves up in Canada, Bangs said they wanted a wolf that could really kill the elk. Bangs and defenders of wildlife were and still are very proud of their Canadian wolves, not for the sake of the wolves, but for the damage that they have done and will do. The more controversy over the wolves the more money defenders of wildlife can suck out of the ignorant. In the end the predator phase is all about $$$$$$. As you have seen wdfw don't seem to be concerned about the game herds.

The wolves in the Methow were not brought in by the WDFW of Bangs.  We can extend that $1000 bet to encompass the supposed illegal introduction in WA.  It hasn't happened and there is no credible evidence that it has. 

[wolfbait]

When they went and got these wolves up in Canada, Bangs said they wanted a wolf that could really kill the elk. Bangs and defenders of wildlife were and still are very proud of their Canadian wolves, not for the sake of the wolves, but for the damage that they have done and will do. The more controversy over the wolves the more money defenders of wildlife can suck out of the ignorant. In the end the predator phase is all about $$$$$$. As you have seen wdfw don't seem to be concerned about the game herds.

The wolves in the Methow were not brought in by the WDFW of Bangs.  We can extend that $1000 bet to encompass the supposed illegal introduction in WA.  It hasn't happened and there is no credible evidence that it has.  

I understand that you don't believe the wolves have or will do much damage to our big game herds.  I also know that you think saveelk.com is mostly BS, because you wrote and told me so,, I still have that letter, case you would like me to prove it. So how bout this you just keep saying what you have been saying and when what has happened in Idaho happens in Washington then you can write back an say it is because of What??? The wolves in the Methow are Canadian wolves and they did get released in the Methow, maybe not by wdfw, but wdfw knew about it because 3 years ago all the road kill in the Methow was going to some new wolves in the Methow. You always come up with "we will manage our wildlife better or habitat" what wildlife will you be managing once you have wolves? Come on get real!!!!  We all know how much the wolves have been managed If I was you, I would go back an talk to fitkin and rethink what you just said,  because at some point in time I am sure the Methow will be going to court on wolves being released in the Methow, and those people who have seen this happen will be in court testifying.

[MtnMuley]

Thanks for the great info Little Dave!   I think Phil L. is a hugger in disguise

[huntnphool]

Ideally, I would like to see the law changed so that all hunting license revenue and excise taxes collected are prioritized for conservation of game species.  The fees that we pay should not be used for any part of the wolf plan unless wolves are classified as a big game species with a plan in place to hunt the wolves

Get Tim Iman on it.

[remington300mag]

Q: What is the DFW doing to educate hunters about wolves?  Many say "shoot, shovel, and shut-up"?

Now this sounds like a GREAT plan to me!!!!!! I would suggest all hunters in this state follow this management tool!!!!

[wolfbait]

Q: What is the DFW doing to educate hunters about wolves?  Many say "shoot, shovel, and shut-up"?

Now this sounds like a GREAT plan to me!!!!!! I would suggest all hunters in this state follow this management tool!!!!

I think it is a good plan also, but I also think we are a bit to late, like Idaho and Montana, if you gave everyone a gun in Wa. and said go kill every wolf you see it would not stop what has already happened here in Washington. The one hope that we have now that wdfw will start stacking wolves in Wa., is that people send their wolf sightings to http://washingtonwolf.info/ or wolfbait here on Wa. Hunting, we will make sure it is made public, and perhaps the 15 bps will be discovered a bit quicker then 13 years from now. The sooner that we can convince the rest of Washington that we already have the wolves for delisting the better off we will be. I say we have 15 bps plus right now.

[bearpaw]

little dave....thanks for the updates....

[Little Dave]

Well, I hope it makes a little bit of difference discussing what we are up against.

Arguments for wolves as you see here are very shallow.  I sat with a DFW employee for a few minutes, at the meeting and discussed other business.  Next day he left a note that the other meetings have not been as "bad" as this one.  To me, it means that there is hope.  Statewide, there's really a lot of concern about this plan substantiated with genuine concern for safety, and economic hardship.  Seattle's plea for wolves is noise from people loving nature, but out of touch with the reality of nature. 

I do get a sense from the DFW personnel that they realize this, and they also realize that their jobs are on the line with this change.

So this is my pep talk.  I'll say it again this way...
Each one of us can outperform these shallow comments recorded in Seattle.  Will you please send in a comment before January?

Here's a link to their Internet comment form:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=_2b0vnE3WLkHBoFZolPT9rsA_3d_3d

[Special T]

This just another thin veiled attempt from the  to hurt hunters. Does any body remeber the Spotted OWL issue. Even in the 80's it was't about the owls it was about keeping people from cutting down trees! This is no different!   

[Axle]

Thanks Little Dave for your time and time efforts!

I've said it before too - all those pages of "special permits" are not really special permits except for a few. They represent "lost opportunity" and those pages will get drastically increased with the increased predation.

Wolfbait is right - what will be left to manage once the big game is eaten up?