makes you think what it takes

[boneaddict]

I was shooting a pm to a friend and it dawned on me to post the comment.  Basically what it takes in this state, or any state for that matter, but particularly this one with the type of hunting pressure we put on them.

I wonder if our 190 buck made it......  all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL

I probably should have added roadkill.

[jjhunter]

I don't have as much experience as you do Bone......but Washington does have a lot of big, nasty wilderness country.   I think there are probably some gigantic deer in the this state, and more than most of us think.  But, if there is a 190 deer and you have seen him more than once, he was lucky to make it to that age/size and probably won't be with us long. 

The biggest deer that I have seen in ID, MT, and CO (all 185" plus kind of deer) lived in places that would make it literally impossible to go in after and kill.   Even during the rut, these deer left the does at first light.   I think more big deer regress and die of old age than get shot.  The poaching variable is one that would be hard to measure?  We will probably never know the impact it has.  Even around our ranch, I know animals get poached.  I don't know how many times I have come around the corner and seen someone with a rifle on a big buck in December or January.   "We were just looking"   Yeah, ok.

[huntnphool]

The last time I checked the roadkill count in the Methow was up to 252, anyone seen it in the last week or so?

[mazama]

In all my years of hunting i have only seen one big buck in this state, he was migrating up on blewett pass in knee deep snow, that was 25yrs ago and i still remember sight of him.I have cut a trail into an area that holds deer all the sign is down low but i know they bed up in rocks, tried twice to get up there but gets to steep and dangerous, over the years i have been happy i didnot shoot anything in some of places i have been.

[sako223]

The hunters legal or moral or not are the worst impact. YTC shows a comparison. Even though we have less hunters now, there are maybe to long of seasons around the state.
I support reassessing the seasons. I personally don't like the 3 pt minimum restriction. Seems like we had more bucks before the restriction.
There are big bucks around some accessible by helicopter, some by car, a few right near houses.
The largest muley we have ever seen was crossing the road at night. His nose was about two inches above the road. Second one would have to rappel in with rope or winch into the rocks. These must be part goat. third one we watched it bed down at light after season. Easy access flat ground. 20 minutes later 6 mexican hunters passed this buck within feet. I am sure the bucks blood pressure maxed but he never moved.
Of all the variables, the worst to me is to see developed permit areas lose large animals to unregulated hunting groups.

[huntnphool]

Even though we have less hunters now, there are maybe to long of seasons around the state.

Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long?

[elkaholic_74]

Even though we have less hunters now, there are maybe to long of seasons around the state.

Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long?

no kidding

[sako223]

Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long?

Where did I say that?

Deer seasons start on or about Sep 1 and go through on or about Jan 30.

[fishunt247]

  He could be talking about late archery though, which is too long. As far as the three pt minimum being taken away, not wise. Gives the bucks another year to get smarter before they can be shot at. But I don't know if that's what this thread is about. I think it's just an AWE statement of how some bucks still make that magic giant mark in this state with everything going against them. Congrats to the bucks that do make it, and to the ones that die of old age. My dad shot a regress benchleg in 2006. I doubt it would have ever been anywhere near 190 ever in its life, but at one time it was probably a great buck. It was a 26" 3pt, heavy at the bases then morphed way out, nubbins for teeth. It lived in an area that that had general seasons for all weapons, a 4 day late rifle hunt, and a 15 day late muzzleloader hunt. Amazing.

[mossback91]

I was shooting a pm to a friend and it dawned on me to post the comment.  Basically what it takes in this state, or any state for that matter, but particularly this one with the type of hunting pressure we put on them.

I wonder if our 190 buck made it......  all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL

I probably should have added roadkill.

Pics??

[sako223]

The problem with short rifle season is rifle hunters. And I am a life long rifle hunter. Will consider Crossbow though. Rifle hunters seem to stand on the fact that having guns is a right so hunting is the same. Rifle hunters as a rule will not group up to address changes but often just react when things look bad.
With the announcement of shorter rifle seasons we bitch to friends and fellow hunters.
Talk about Wolves and we attend meetings.
Bow hunters have banded together and achieved longer seasons and bigger voices with the WDFW. They have accommodated those organizations pressures.
I was told this by the WDFW.  

[Swiftkid]

6 mexican hunters passed this buck within feet.

thanks for letting us know they were mexican, wtf is up with that?

[sako223]

6 mexican hunters passed this buck within feet.

thanks for letting us know they were mexican, wtf is up with that?

Am I supposed to say Mexican American hunters? The term Mexican is widely used.

30.7 million Americans listed their ancestry as Mexican as of 2006.

The United States, six of whose states historically were part of Mexico, is home to the second largest Mexican community in the world.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_American

[fishunt247]

I think he is just saying that if they were white hunters, would you have said "6 white hunters passed within feet of this buck?" Probably not. I walked within 20 yards of a buck that I ended up missing this year, didn't know it until this guy came over and told me I was right above it before. He didn't point out that I was white though.

[Galpster]

So what. So he said Mexicans. What is wrong with that. He was just giving us a mental picture of the scene.

Lighten up with your racist accusations!!

[huntnphool]

The problem with short rifle season is rifle hunters.

Really, please do expalin because I don't believe any rifle hunter is responsible for the season being shortened to 8 days.

[DOUBLELUNG]

I was shooting a pm to a friend and it dawned on me to post the comment.  Basically what it takes in this state, or any state for that matter, but particularly this one with the type of hunting pressure we put on them.

I wonder if our 190 buck made it......  all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL

I probably should have added roadkill.

Not to mention starving on the uphill side of the deerproof fence; shot for having the audacity to eat flowers or landscaping, by the transplanted homeowner living on the winter range; or being stressed to death by cross country skiers, snowmobiles, stray dogs, and photographers with no clue about wildlife and a point and shoot camera with mediocre zoom capabilities.  Not to mention that these effects don't occur in isolation, but are cumulative and compounding.

Like it or not, us 2-legged hairless apes are the root of most of the problems.

[Swiftkid]

I think he is just saying that if they were white hunters, would you have said "6 white hunters passed within feet of this buck?" Probably not. I walked within 20 yards of a buck that I ended up missing this year, didn't know it until this guy came over and told me I was right above it before. He didn't point out that I was white though.

thats exactly what i meant, just funny how you would say 6 mexican hunters instead of 6 hunters. Just seems like your trying to imply something more since they were mexican and walking by a buck. My point exactly would you say "6 white" "6 black" or even "3 mexican hunters and 3 black" hunters?

[roadhuntking]

Sorry bone you have been somewhat thread jacked, but I am curious why theese Mexicans you say where hunting after season? 

[Grizzly95]

I count 3 directions this thread has run now.
Game laws, depredation, and a racial point of view.
 

[huntnphool]

[Grizzly95]

 

[sako223]

Really, please do expalin because I don't believe any rifle hunter is responsible for the season being shortened to 8 days.

Yeah please stay on topic.

I was shooting a pm to a friend and it dawned on me to post the comment.  Basically what it takes in this state, or any state for that matter, but particularly this one with the type of hunting pressure we put on them.

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I wonder if our 190 buck made it......  all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL

I probably should have added roadkill.

What it takes, Hunting pressure, Hunting Seasons, Length of Seasons, Hunters are all on subject.

Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long?

huntinphool implied that I stated this. I stated Seasons.

I count 3 directions this thread has run now.
Game laws, depredation, and a racial point of view.

Why is it racial? I was describing the scene pictured in my mind. Rather than make it to long I shortened it.
The whole story was that my wife and I wanted to get some pics of some animals after the general season. We dressed for the bitter cold and went out way before light. We hear a lone animal approaching in the rocks. As it lightened we saw this monster buck bed down. Not light enough for the camera. We were freezing and wanted to get back to the truck but heard noise so stayed put. Here come the six Mexican hunters chattering away and laughing, no coats, no orange, with rifles and shotguns.  I told my wife, man those guys are tougher than we are. Although wondering about the rifles and shotguns with no orange we left. For those that want it to be racial so be it. It wasn't and isn't to me.

[boneaddict]

Fishhunt figured out my statement, and Doublelung has certainly added some more contributions to the Awe statement. 

A recessed buck, A REAL ONE is about as rare in Washington as it gets.

I do frown on hunting from Sept 1 to New Years, but I don't think modern can be shortened any more

[jstamp]

after reading this thread and all the talk about racist comments, i'm going to start putting the race of any hunter i post about, white, black, brown, yellow, or green, just so people don't think i'm racist when i do actually say something about another race of hunters.  :

[huntnphool]

huntinphool implied that I stated this. I stated Seasons.

Thats right, because 8 days is the season!!!!

[sako223]

there are maybe to long of seasons around the state

Again I stated SEASONS!!!  Deer Seasons go from Sep 1 to Jan 30

[PolarBear]

What if they were gay, disabled, midget mexicans?

[huntnphool]

Again I stated SEASONS!!!  Deer Seasons go from Sep 1 to Jan 30

 Then perhaps you should be a little more specific when talking about shortening seasons, its comments like that that end up in the F&G questionare when they are looking for input.

[sako223]

Being a hunter you should know deer SEASONS go from SEP to JAN and I did further specify when you implied something I never said.
I highly doubt WDFW is putting this in a Questionaire, unless you Input it.

[sako223]

after reading this thread and all the talk about racist comments, i'm going to start putting the race of any hunter i post about, white, black, brown, yellow, or green, just so people don't think i'm racist when i do actually say something about another race of hunters.  :

I wonder how you describe Indians hunting or Tribal hunting without mentioning their race.  I could be wrong but I don't recall you ringing in calling people racists on threads about Indian hunting. Describing race happens everyday. We had some Norwegians visit here recently. Dare I say that.

If you see a reportable situation are you going to skip the race even if you know it.
There are multiple situations where we describe people by race or color or
disability.

What if they were gay, disabled, midget mexicans?

So are you discriminating against me?  I am disabled and get referred to regularly by hunters, doctors, judges, officers, friends, at church, and strangers. It is a description.

[WARHORSE]

What if they were gay, disabled, midget mexicans?

then they had gov issued tags!

[huntnphool]

So are you discriminating against me?  I am disabled and get referred to regularly by hunters, doctors, judges, officers, friends, at church, and strangers. It is a description.

Well you're a retard too but it doesn't mean we have to say that every time we refer to you.

[Grizzly95]

Sako, I'm sorry, I was not trying to say you are racist. Just that those 3 topics have come from the original post. I grew up in the lower Yakima Valley and anyone that is familiar with that area knows that the hispanic population greatly out numbers the other ethnic groups.  I honestly didn't even catch on until I read other posts.

[7mag.]

I love how everyone is eagar to jump on the racist bandwagon. Just because somebody utters something that is not "politicaly correct" doesn't make them a racist. Calling a Mexican a Mexican is a description. If he had called them a less than flattering slang term, then I would see the racist point, but he didn't, so quit being so damn sensitive about everything. If you can't handle the fact that not everyone walks on eggshells to avoid offending the super sensitive idiots, maybe you shouldn't play with others.

Now that I have completely jacked this thread, I think that this state has far too many hunters, for the size of the hunting area's and the game population. I also think that if certain groups are continually granted over consumption of our game, then it is just a matter of time before most area's will be permit only, with very little trophy opportunities.

[sako223]

Thanks Grizzly95 & 7mag.

Well you're a retard too but it doesn't mean we have to say that every time we refer to you. Wink

huntinphool you have been dogging me, changing my post, and putting words in my mouth. If you think my disability is joke so be it.  I certainly don't.

You have helped steer this thread into into accusations and problems. If you don't like my opinion just say so. You don't have to agree.


I meant to apologize to boneaddict, I thought I was contributing but ended up handling other things in your thread.

[fishunt247]

So...back to the beginning...how often do you think we actually get regress bucks in this state? I mean, its all speculation, but after looking at the teeth on my dads buck that I was talking about, it was (at least in my opinion) a regress. It was super heavy, morphed out length, and the teeth were tiny compared to 3.5 to 4.5 yr old deer. Unless it was eating rocks, I think the deer was in its last couple seasons. Am I wrong?

[Swiftkid]

Now tat I have completely jacked this thread, I think that this state has far too many hunters, for the size of the hunting area's and the game population. I also think that if certain groups are continually granted over consumption of our game, then it is just a matter of time before most area's will be permit only, with very little trophy opportunities.

Maybe you should become the president of the united states since you think you know everything? You must have graduated with a masters degree from harvard, sounds like you've done alot of research.

[DOUBLELUNG]

I can't wait for this state to create a special hunt for regressed bucks, open only to hunters with English-Scottish-Romanian gypsy/jew-Swedish-Cherokee ancestry.  We have been discriminated against and downtrodden for too long.