OUT OF CONTROL WOLVES Pack IN WA! 12/06/09

[Axle]

One big thing to help you guys identify the type of kill is that a cougar also eats in through the arm pit and shoulder to get the organs first and a cougar also eats most all of the bones before it is finished with a kill. Wolves often start eating from the a$$ first and often do not finish an animal like a cougar usually does. Wolves also often do not eat many of the bones.

I've seen dozens of cougar kills and never have seen one eat any bones or go in after the organs. Bears and dogs eat bones. The cat kills I've seen will eat meat off of the neck and hind leg. They will eat about 10 lbs and then often not even return to it. If game is plentiful, they will just kill another. When a cougar kills an elk, they can't possibly eat it all even if they did return. It would rot away or the coyotes would eat it. Typical signs of coyotes is that they like to open the gut cavity and lung areas. my  (which comes from a lot of time in the woods)

[luvtohnt]

I agree with you axle the most meaty part of the animal is consumed first by large cats. Here is a picture of how it starts. The stomach was ripped open during the battle, and for those that don't know or remember I found this elk about 5-10 minutes after it was killed and put my cameras up before it was three hours old. He came in to eat within 2 hours of the camera being there.

Brandon

[wolfbait]

I have seen a fair share of cougar kills also, one with a cougar burying one that she had just killed, at about 15 ft away and no gun, not a pleasant feeling. One thing that I have noticed in the Methow is the cougars  go for the organs first, and maybe never go back. One time my wife and I rode through a cougar ambush, there were dead deer all over the place with just there chest cavity ate out. This was before hound hunting was brought back. The best way in my opinion, to tell wolf kills is if the a$$ end is ate out. I think if the deer are plentyfull it would make a differnece on how much is eaten.

[MichaelJ]

The wdfw are monitoring more than one pack in the M. Valley

Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.

Michael

[wolfbait]

The wdfw are monitoring more than one pack in the M. Valley

Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.

Michael

  Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.

[Houndhunter]

One big thing to help you guys identify the type of kill is that a cougar also eats in through the arm pit and shoulder to get the organs first and a cougar also eats most all of the bones before it is finished with a kill. Wolves often start eating from the a$$ first and often do not finish an animal like a cougar usually does. Wolves also often do not eat many of the bones.

I've seen dozens of cougar kills and never have seen one eat any bones or go in after the organs. Bears and dogs eat bones. The cat kills I've seen will eat meat off of the neck and hind leg. They will eat about 10 lbs and then often not even return to it. If game is plentiful, they will just kill another. When a cougar kills an elk, they can't possibly eat it all even if they did return. It would rot away or the coyotes would eat it. Typical signs of coyotes is that they like to open the gut cavity and lung areas. my   (which comes from a lot of time in the woods)

from the lion kills i see they eat alot of it, but ive never seen a kill where it started for the organs usually what i see is they are eating the meat. i think they kill more when the weather is warmer cuase a cat wont eat bad meat, i guess game is more plentiful during spring and summer but i think the only time they kill more often is from the warmer weather . ive never seen any sign of them killing for fun and wasting the animal so thats intreesting to read that, but my family found/heard of a group of 6 lions running together in a pack they would kill a deer a day

[wolfbait]

I think that cougars eat what is the best and leave the rest unless the pickens are slim. In the Methow the deer are becoming slimmer as the wolves multiply, I'm sure the cats will take a different veiw with eating, it will be eat what you can while you can. The predator that can drive the others out will be the ones that die last.  

[bearpaw]

Well maybe they eat differently where some of you guys live...I know some people do eat differently....

We have found fresh kills in snow storms that were barely eaten on and actually chased the cat off the kill when we followed the drag marks to the kill. From the kills I have inspected, almost always the organs are eaten in the first meal of the animals we have found.

My experience is that when a cat kills a deer he is out of circulation (layed up near the kill) for almost a week until the carcasse is consumed. If you disturb it too much or bump the cat off the kill he may not come back at all. If he kills an elk he may be layed up for a couple weeks or more. Then when the kill is about finished, they go hunting again. Lots of times it's these cats that we find their track. We turn the dogs out following the tracks which were made all night while the cat hunted and the tracks circle back to the old kill. Many times (dozens of times) we have caught the cat within 100 yards of the old kill where he was laying, the area around the old kill is trampled by old cougar tracks, and we have seen that all there was left is some hair, forelegs, jaw, and part of the skull.

I have also inspected lots of coyote kills and most of the bones are left, but the meat is all eaten. When you look at many wolf kill photos, you will see that many bones are left and that often the wolves start at the back end of the animal. Incidentally, I have also seen coyotes that were killed and eaten by cougar, thus the reason many cougar kills are not bothered by coyotes....

I have also spend many a night for the WDFW watching farmers sheep and goat depredation kills. We check the kill in the middle of the night every 30 to 60 minutes, and a few times when the flashlight hit the kill the cougar was standing over the kill looking at us.

Sometimes the cat comes back and finishes everything except the hair, forelegs, part of the skull, and lower jaw (they even eat the skin at times). Other times, and I think it's because we disturbed things too much, they never came back at all. But I have caught too many cougar (dozens) off kills (both deer and domestic animals) with only hair and a few bones remaining, to not know what I am saying.

If some of you don't think I know what I am talking about that is fine. You can go with your story and I will go with mine, no hard feelings and we are all happy.....

[bearpaw]

The wdfw are monitoring more than one pack in the M. Valley

Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.

Michael

  Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.

That's funny as heck, even Uncle Obama has leaks in the whitehouse....why wouldn't there be a leak about the # wolves being tracked....    

[Special T]

BP on the WDFW control hunts can you shine em and shoot em?

[bearpaw]

When you are working for F&G on predation hunts where livestock or humans have been harmed the objectve is to solve the problem. You are authorized to use lights and to kill at night. Yes, you can shoot them with the flashlight in their eyes.

I hope this also explains why they use choppers and either shotguns or automatic weapons in Idaho to gun down rogue livestock killing wolves. The objective is to get the job done.

[Special T]

How do i sign up for that hunt!

[Axle]

How do i sign up for that hunt!

Ya! Hey Bearpaw, can you get us in on that? 

[mulehunter]

Can I have one   

Mulehunter 

[bearpaw]

Boy I would love to go on a heli wolf hunt too....