Delayed again!!

[Jamieb]

I dont have a real problem with the way the check is now if it keeps a few guns out of the wrong hands. It just seems to me that a check could be done off a SS number or something like that, without having to fill out a whole background check form every time.
I wonder how many guys get delayed becuse of a misspelled word or some other mistake they make filling out that form. I know the guys working behind a gun counter are supposed to double check but I've seen how busy Cabelas or other gun counters get.

[Ray]

Another reason to have your concealed permit.  Have never been delayed, always walked out with my purchase, same day.

That's not true either. You can be delayed by the federal check regardless if you have a concealed permit.

[ICEMAN]

Littlebuf, the NICS program keeps thousands of individuals from purchasing weapons each year. Remember, there are many different categories of prohibited individuals like mental defectives, drug addicts, individuals with Warrants, illegal aliens and your normal run of the mill felon. The system does work, it is not perfect. Just like guys poaching big game, some folks try to cheat the system, when they get denied, the steal or purchase guns from shady individuals.

Jamieb, most law enforcement search parameters have stopped using any SSN's  because of Identity thieves stealing legitimate SSN's from folks like you and I, that there are so many SSN's on criminals alias records, that a search by SSN usually hits on many many individuals. Hence, most agencies do not search by SSN anymore, it was unreliable. Name and DOB, verified against current, valid photo identification is far more accurate. Mistakes made on your Federal purchase form are your fault. Mistakes over the phone to NICS are the Sellers fault.

You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal? This has been studied and studied to death. No system is going to keep any single person happy each time they use it, and no system is going to keep guns out of bad guys hands each and every time. The average wait time for someone at the counter, during the call is under one minute or something like that...... Be patient.

[Galpster]

Okay then what can those of us do that get delayed everytime? I have a Concealed permit and I got delayed three days getting my baby eagle 40. I get sick of having to go back to get my firearms. I am ex military and no convictions on my record. So what can we honest people do? I think criminals get their guns faster than I do!!!

[Ray]

So what can we honest people do? I think criminals get their guns faster than I do!!!

Correct. One of the major problems with NICS is that it denies your liberties until you pass a federal check. Last time I checked - I shouldn't need a government to tell me if I should be able to buy a gun to defend myself. Give it another 40 years and you'll need a rectal exam to get your guns.

[ICEMAN]

Okay then what can those of us do that get delayed everytime? I have a Concealed permit and I got delayed three days getting my baby eagle 40. I get sick of having to go back to get my firearms. I am ex military and no convictions on my record. So what can we honest people do? I think criminals get their guns faster than I do!!!

As stated earlier, apply for the VAF (Voluntary Appeal File), once NICS verifies why you continually get delayed, with your permission to retain data on you, they can add you to the VAF and each time thereafter, when you apply and provide your VAF number, the delay is eliminated.... (Unless you have a recent arrest or similar...they still check you against the prohibited databases.) 

[bobcat]

You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal?

There is no system that is going to keep guns away from criminals. They  can just buy from a private party or steal them. I'm really surprised to hear that you are a proponent of gun control. All they are doing now is making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase guns. Why do they also not have to  go through the same procedure for people buying baseball bats, knives, etc. ?

[littlebuf]

You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal?

There is no system that is going to keep guns away from criminals. They  can just buy from a private party or steal them. I'm really surprised to hear that you are a proponent of gun control. All they are doing now is making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase guns. Why do they also not have to  go through the same procedure for people buying baseball bats, knives, etc. ?

bingo, emphasis on the "control" in gun control because that's what it is about. you want a better system require everybody to have a gun, after it settled down the slime would be weeded out. obviously not a realistic option but that's my line of thinking. the government isn't there to control me its there for me to control.

[jackelope]

i've been delayed 3 out of the 4 times i've shipped my own guns   here from back home in NY.

the last time, 6 months ago, no delay.
 

[bearpaw]

You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal?

There is no system that is going to keep guns away from criminals. They  can just buy from a private party or steal them. I'm really surprised to hear that you are a proponent of gun control. All they are doing now is making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase guns. Why do they also not have to  go through the same procedure for people buying baseball bats, knives, etc. ?

bingo, emphasis on the "control" in gun control because that's what it is about. you want a better system require everybody to have a gun, after it settled down the slime would be weeded out. obviously not a realistic option but that's my line of thinking. the government isn't there to control me its there for me to control.

I agree....

[ICEMAN]

Yeah, you guys are right, all illegal aliens, felons and mental defectives should be able to walk into any gun store and just walk up and buy as many assault rifles as they want.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like gun control very much, but I can accept this current level of inconvenience. I know you guys feel that every single gun sale halted by NICS is simply overridden by other means, but I do not feel that they are.

[littlebuf]

well ice in my perfect world those folks you mentioned wouldn't be "walking" in any where in my country

[ICEMAN]

Can I move to your country too!? 

[littlebuf]

well rasbo's talkin bout starting a town.....

[phishisgroovin]

Huntbear said:

"Another reason to have your concealed permit.  Have never been delayed, always walked out with my purchase, same day."

no true, i have mine and was delayed due to a holiday rule. the Cocealed doesnt garantee you to walk out with your new firearm.