that colockum bull that was taken

[SGM R]

If you kill a animal, take the time and enjoy the flavors of your kill and difinetly take the meat...

[phishisgroovin]

The way i see it, when you are hunting such a heavily hunted hill.
Look around at all the other camp sites while roading around, there is ALWAYS a cart sitting in one, it only takes a second to ask one of these campers/hunters if you can borrow or for a small fee (BEER) use their cart to move your animals out of the meadows.
I am positive they wouldnt have to think more than a second about you using it. They would probably help roll the carcasses out in fact. I would.
then what meat you dont want can be given to these other guys and consumed rather than wasted up in the meadow where other hunters cannot touch it for fear of losing their hunting rights and paying out the ying yang for illegal taking of meat.
I just dont like waste i guess, but every hunter is different.

[Dipsnort]

Just out of curiosity, does Washington have a legal standard for the portions of meat that should be retained?

[JackOfAllTrades]

Not that I know of. Never seen it in writing. I would think that anyone worth half a crap would be able to beat the rap in court if they showed that they harvested the most meat they could within a timeframe from kill to certain meat spoilage.

-Steve

[Pathfinder101]

but i was told by a gamey that if he sees me packin the head out before the meat he can sight me.

I'm packin out the head as proof that I've killed a legal bull or buck. I'll have 'some' meat with me -on the first trip. But certainly not all of the meat. I'll lock the head/rack up or hide it somewhere.

Any conservation officer that can't see through that process will see me in court when I stand there and tell the judge he's a moron.  -Of the officers I have met in the field, none fit that.

There does look to be some meat waste in that photo. That's an ethics issue. Not a legality.

-Steve

i was just told that by a gamey. i half to agree with you 100% and there is no f-en way i would ever leave a head behind in the field. my statement was miss leading my apologize. i was trying to mean that a gamey is not always correct, they wear a badge but that doesn't make them right every time.  Just because the gamey told you to take the whole elk out doesnt mean you have to take the whole elk out!

Same here.  The head and some meat comes out with the first trip, as proof that it is a legal animal.  Probably strapped to a daypack.  The lion's portion of the meat comes out next on a packframe.  More trips if needed.  Could be this was a legal bull on a special tag, but sure looks suspicious.  Either they are retards about meat removal, or they were in a hell of a hurry. 

Just out of curiosity, does Washington have a legal standard for the portions of meat that should be retained?

I know that Montana and Wyoming have standards for this, and they differ.  Montana says quarters and backstraps.  Wyoming says ALL useable meat, including ribmeat and flankmeat. 

[MichaelJ]

I hear ID is VERY strict as well for the quantities of meat left behind... Especially the IDFG officers around lewiston (just what I've heard from more than a few ppl, no personal experience)...

AS for that bull, maybe there is more of an explanation to it, looks like they wasted quite a bit of meat but atleast they took the bulk of it.  On a deer I take little more than they did, but on elk we take more unless we're close to a road but we're almost always boning our animals out...

Michael

[bowelkaholic]

Front shoulders backstrap hindquarter tenderlions heart liver all with out gutting.Gutting is old school looks close to your pic.HAPPY HUNTING MERRY X-MAS

[Whitefoot]

I'd have to look at it in person but if you google boning an elk and than click on to field dressing.. Then scroll down to the end..   Looks like the elk in this thread was quartered and back straps were bonned or else the legs would still be ther not juss the hoofs.
What is WA guide for taking out a d-boned elk?

[kirkl]

i dont think leaving 2-4 pounds of rib meat and a little flank steak is wasting meat when he probably brought out 200+ pounds of meat if it was a bigger bull or less on a spike.

[mossback91]

i dont think leaving 2-4 pounds of rib meat and a little flank steak is wasting meat when he probably brought out 200+ pounds of meat if it was a bigger bull or less on a spike.

 

[klickman]

Wasted meat is wasted meat.  It doesn't matter the quantity.  All edible meat should be taken, not just most of it.  You owe it to the animal to not waste it.  As for taking out the horns first bad idea.  Most of us here wouldn't do it but a lot of people won't work as hard for the meat in that deep canyon if they already have their trophey out.  Get all the meat out of the field then go get the horns.  If you are in the process of packing out an animal you don't have to proove a legal animal to a GW.  He can hike down with you on your next trip to see if its legal. 

KLICKMAN

[Pathfinder101]

I am pretty sure most of us are packing out the head first, so they don't return to the carcass and find it headless...  If a gamey needs proof that I have killed a legal animal, it's locked up in the cab of the truck, not lying out in the woods where some tweaker can saw them off and run...

[Kowsrule30]

If I can't get it out whole... The head always comes first....    Just how I roll....

[klickman]

I am pretty sure most of us are packing out the head first, so they don't return to the carcass and find it headless...  If a gamey needs proof that I have killed a legal animal, it's locked up in the cab of the truck, not lying out in the woods where some tweaker can saw them off and run...

Chances are the tweekers won't saw off the horns they'll just bust your truck window and take them.  I don't see too many tweekers too far from the road. 

KLICKMAN

[Pathfinder101]

Good point, I guess.