Which President Did The Most For Sportsmen's Conservation/ Right's?

[Dmanmastertracker]

 Which President Did The Most For Sportsmen's Conservation/ Right's?

[Pathfinder101]

You might want to put James Madison up there.  He wrote the Bill Of Rights...

[Ray]

I used to give credit all to James Madison for penning the Bill of Rights right from his own mind. Until I read more and found out that he was not even a catalyst for the proposal and that instead it was George Mason had originally penned the blueprint inside the Virginia Declaration of rights. In fact it was Mason and Thomas Jefferson that spearheaded them into reality. I thank Madison but really view him as a reluctant piece of the action. His words turned out better than Mason's in the end though. Doesn't have much to do with hunting rights IMHO.

[shoot-em-dead]

Obama

[fishermanjoe]

Obama 

 

[Dmanmastertracker]

You might want to put James Madison up there.  He wrote the Bill Of Rights...

 I thought about that, I was thinking more in terms of preserving existing rights and/ or adding to what we have. I'll add him anyway.

[Dmanmastertracker]

 I added Clinton also. I know a lot of people can't get around his personal issues, but he did preserve more land for outdoor recreation than any President in history.

[shoot-em-dead]

Obama 

 

LMAO- just messing with you-

[littlebuf]

you might want to consider what rights ole teddy was all for taking away also. maybe that would be a good poll. "does anybody know what he actually stood for?" id like to see the results of that one.

[littlebuf]

I added Clinton also. I know a lot of people can't get around his personal issues, but he did preserve more land for outdoor recreation than any President in history.

and him and gore were against us being able to use said "preserved "land they just couldn't quite close the deal

[Dmanmastertracker]

I added Clinton also. I know a lot of people can't get around his personal issues, but he did preserve more land for outdoor recreation than any President in history.

and him and gore were against us being able to use said "preserved "land they just couldn't quite close the deal

 I never read that Clinton was opposed to hunting, where did you see that? Was it some type of bill?

[littlebuf]

don't know that he was apposed to hunting, wouldn't surprise me though. they were/are apposed to use being able to use our public lands. that's the level of "preservation" they wanted. pay taxes on it but don't use it, gotta save it for the polar bears don't ya know

[littlebuf]

BULLY BOY
The Truth About Theodore Roosevelt's Legacy

by Jim Powell


CHAPTER 1:
WHY DID ROOSEVELT BELIEVE MORE GOVERNMENT POWER WOULD SOLVE PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS?

Theodore Roosevelt believed that if only politicians had enough power, they could solve the world's problems. Heralding the era of big government, he urged "far more active governmental interference with social and economic conditions in this country." Although Abraham Lincoln dramatically expanded the power of the federal government during wartime, the peacetime expansion of federal power began with Theodore Roosevelt. Disregarding the dismal history of arbitrary and oppressive government, he declared, "I think [the presidency] should be a very powerful office, and I think the President should be a very strong man who uses without hesitation every power the position yields." At another point he said, "I believe in a strong executive. I believe in power."




hmmm sound familiar? but yup he liked to hunt

[littlebuf]

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/court-upholds-clinton-era-roadless-rule/



federal government telling states what they can do in there forests? that doesn't sound like what our founders had in mind? could it be

[littlebuf]

http://www.rff.org/Documents/Resources/Resources-124_Ladd.pdf

[Dmanmastertracker]

don't know that he was apposed to hunting, wouldn't surprise me though. they were/are apposed to use being able to use our public lands. that's the level of "preservation" they wanted. pay taxes on it but don't use it, gotta save it for the polar bears don't ya know

 I know he sponsored legislation on keeping existing roadless areas roadless, I wrote a paper on it at one time. The majority of the roadless (huntable) areas were re-opened for development by W, for mining, timber harvest and oil research. One of the large roadless area's in Wyoming is now a gas field with no hunting opportunities.

[littlebuf]

http://www.sharetrails.org/releases/?story=676&filter=media

[Dmanmastertracker]

http://www.wyomingoutdoorcouncil.org/html/what_we_do/public_lands/bridger_teton.shtml

[littlebuf]

don't know that he was apposed to hunting, wouldn't surprise me though. they were/are apposed to use being able to use our public lands. that's the level of "preservation" they wanted. pay taxes on it but don't use it, gotta save it for the polar bears don't ya know

 I know he sponsored legislation on keeping existing roadless areas roadless, I wrote a paper on it at one time. The majority of the roadless (huntable) areas were re-opened for development by W, for mining, timber harvest and oil research. One of the large roadless area's in Wyoming is now a gas field with no hunting opportunities.

nothing like letting big brother get his foot in the door, great idea. look how well its worked out with global warming legislation. oh boy i cant wait till cap and trade. its Gonna be great paying 30$ a gallon  

[Dmanmastertracker]

 Seems Wyoming's sportsmen and women are in favor of protecting these areas, that are still open to hunting and fishing.

 http://wyomingrangesportsmen.org/intro.php

[littlebuf]

i realize a Democrat can do no wrong in your eyes. you know teddy was GOP right? oh and i don't like him either if ya couldn't tell

[Dmanmastertracker]

i realize a Democrat can do no wrong in your eyes. you know teddy was GOP right? oh and i don't like him either if ya couldn't tell

  You clearly haven't seen my opinion of Gregoire...

 I would actually put Clinton right up there with Teddy based on what I stated, over the course of writing that paper it was pretty clear, at least to me that there are millions of acres still huntable today that might not have been if Clinton hadn't taken action. If you've seen some of the development activity, before and after shots in Wyoming you'd see what I mean, some areas look like moonscape where there were herds of mule deer and antelope.

[littlebuf]

like i said Clinton and gore did not succeed in there end game, yet. and i to would put Clinton and Roosevelt in the same category. enemy

[Dmanmastertracker]

like i said Clinton and gore did not succeed in there end game, yet. and i to would put Clinton and Roosevelt in the same category. enemy

The question was who would you vote for if you could, is your choice not up there and why?

[littlebuf]

now I'm one of two for Madison

[Dmanmastertracker]

I'm the one lonely vote up there

 Well, that's a quality vote and one I would agree with also.

[danceswitharrows]

Teddy

[littlebuf]

and bowing is just what ole "teddy" wanted American people to do. i realize a knee jerk reaction is Roosevelt but do some research folks,  he was not a friend of this country.

[alanger]

OBAMA!

[jeepasaurusrex]

The only thing obama deserves, is gun salesmen of the year. 

[Pathfinder101]

and bowing is just what ole "teddy" wanted American people to do. i realize a knee jerk reaction is Roosevelt but do some research folks,  he was not a friend of this country.

I think I would have to respectfully disagree.  He may have had some damaging big government policies, but he did the country a lot of good too.  He almost singlehandly rebuilt the US Navy when he was the assistant secretary.  Without what he did to the Navy we never could have made a dent in WWII.  He expanded US foreign policy, made us a player on the world stage, and set us up for most of what we accomplished as a nation in the 20th Century, not to mention his extraordinary battlefield service in the Spanish American War.
I have also stood in his "man room" at his house in New York.  Pretty hard to make the case that he was not a hunter, shooter and sportsman...
I don't agree totally with his politics, but I would not go so far as to say that he was not a friend to this country.
...that being said, I voted for Madison...

[csaaphill]

WW2? What happened to WW1 first. Are you mistaken FDR with TEDDY?
Franklen Delenore Roosevelt was president during WW2 Teddy Roosevelt was president just before WW1 like early 1900's 1901-1909 to be more precise.

[Pathfinder101]

WW2? What happened to WW1 first. Are you mistaken FDR with TEDDY?
Franklen Delenore Roosevelt was president during WW2 Teddy Roosevelt was president just before WW1 like early 1900's 1901-1909 to be more precise.

We didn't use our Navy significantly in WWI except for troop transport, and remember we were only involved in WWI for something a little over a year.  It was the Navy that Roosevelt modernized prior to the Spanish American War that would grow to the force that was necessary to win WWII.  No, I didn't "mix up" the Roosevelts.  FDR inherited the Navy that Teddy built...

[Jerbear]

When it comes to hunting, Obummer takes takes the top award.  Look how many people are hunting for jobs, homes and so on.  Maybe I wandered off the subject a little bit.

[Kola16]

 

[westsideoutdoorsman]

Teddy owns all in everything.  All vote Bull Moose next time around 

[pianoman9701]

I couldn't vote 

Teddy by far. He was one of the original board at Boone and Crocket. He helped push for the Lacey Act to be passed. No question in my mind.