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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #150 on: January 16, 2010, 11:29:57 AM »
I've received multiple responses from my email to them.  The only problem is they don't remain true to what they respond.  I also wrote a letter regarding mountain goat hunts this morning where I quote an email response I got from them that they directly contradicted later in the year.

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #151 on: January 16, 2010, 11:32:25 AM »
I hope you get an explanation on that...please share when you do.
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #152 on: January 16, 2010, 11:43:03 AM »
I hope you get an explanation on that...please share when you do.

You can see my goat letter in the Other Big Game Forum.

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #153 on: January 16, 2010, 12:09:33 PM »
thx
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #154 on: January 16, 2010, 12:25:27 PM »
Screw WDFW......I'm done applying for anything except Moose.  This is b.s. :bash:
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #155 on: January 16, 2010, 12:34:41 PM »
Can you purchase moose/goat/sheep applications without purchasing a license?
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #156 on: January 16, 2010, 12:36:24 PM »
YES.. Nonresidents do it all the time.
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #157 on: January 16, 2010, 12:36:44 PM »
Can you purchase moose/goat/sheep applications without purchasing a license?

Yes, that's why non-residents like to put in for our moose, goat, and sheep tags.

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #158 on: January 16, 2010, 12:41:33 PM »
Seems to me that should only be an option for residents.
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #159 on: January 16, 2010, 12:42:27 PM »
$50 per app....they will never let that go. There are ALOT of non resident apps.. :'(
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #160 on: January 16, 2010, 01:23:22 PM »
Wow. . . Just wow. . .

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #161 on: January 16, 2010, 01:31:17 PM »
$50 per app....they will never let that go. There are ALOT of non resident apps.. :'(


I agree. I do wish they would up the price for a non resident app. Maybe $100-150. I would rather see them take money out of non residents pockets than residents who actually do more to support this states wildlife. just my  :twocents:
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #162 on: January 16, 2010, 03:10:55 PM »
 :yike:The devils advocate? :yike:  Maybe they're right...

10 bucks for better odds? :dunno:

Hopefully there's an actuary on this forum and can set me straight on calculating odds, but.....

Seems to me if your an opportunist, your odds just got better because it only takes one person to not enter in any one of the three draws to improve overall odds for those who do apply to all three.

If we have 10 people (regardless of entries or points) entering for deer permits, and 5 permits given out, and one hunter can only take 1 animal- whether you have 5 separate drawings for each of the 5 permits or 1 drawing for all 5 combined - aren't overall average  odds of drawing a tag still 50%.  5/10 people are guaranteed to draw regardless of the drawing scenario, points, etc.  Again, it assumes that everyone enters in all drawings. 

If you only enter in 1 drawing- no doubt about it- your screwed.

Now factor in points, choice order, etc.  The pecking order and draw odds for certain people based on points will shift that 50% around (those with < the avg points have <50% chance, those with more, have >50% chance)... but isnt it still 50% average for the whole group?  Agree that some hunters odds will go down if your only puting in for just trophy, but doesn't that mean that those puting in for all three go UP???

Everyone is chiming in that most everyone's odds are screwed by this scenario.... is that really the case?  If some are screwed by the new system (odds going down), aren't some people benefiting (odds go up)?  Question is: who are 'those people'?  Again, I've got to assume its those puting in for all 3.

If I am an opportunist type hunter who is OK paying an additional $10 for better draw odds...why wouldn't I support this? (politics aside).

So - are the majority of hunters meat? trophy? opportunits?

I'd wager the majority of hunters are opportunists.  I'd also bet that those same people are OK with paying another $10 to improve thier odds.

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #163 on: January 16, 2010, 03:16:30 PM »
Dansk,

That's kind of what I was saying before, when we were discussing what would happen with odds if they were to reduce the number of choices on each application. Most say it would improve odds. I say overall odds would stay the same. Similar to what you are saying with this new scenario, and I agree. The overall odds of somebody drawing a deer or elk permit will remain the same. It's just that those with few points will have very low odds on the antlerless permits.

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #164 on: January 16, 2010, 03:17:41 PM »
 :chuckle: No way does adding more people to any one group of permits with a set number, increase odds, sorry.
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