8 different special apps pools!

[whacker1]

If WDFW's intention is not for additional revenue (which I find hard to believe) and was purely for the response to the survey, well this is one of those pieces of legislation that was full of good intentions, but when the rubber hits the road and you look at the practical application - It doesn't pencil out. 

compare to the healthcare reform - some of legitimate intentions of fixing a problem, but when you look at the Bill itself it is loaded with unintended consequences. 

Unintended consequences will be my message in writing to WDFW.  They tried to address too much, and the complexity actually made things worse while on the surface it appeared to address the survey results.

[Curly]

Well said, Whacker1. 

[SkookumHntr]

Again venting about this on here is good but everybody that is able I hope can attend these public comment meetings. Dave Ware and the wdfw is trying to screw us hunters and attending these meetings is the only way we will have a chance to be heard by the commision. They will hear my input but I cant do it alone, Lets all show up and be heard, This is the most important topic ever for quality hunting in Wa and i take this very serious, lots of us on here do!

[WDFW-SUX]

They already paid for the new system..its done.

[Curly]

When I first heard about this proposal, I said I was going to quit applying in this state, except for OIL.  Now I'm not sure what I will do until they say its a done deal. 

I'll hold out hope for now that they will listen to us and at least revise some of what has been proposed (even though I wish they would scap the whole new proposal).  I agree that they will likely continue on with at least some form of the proposed system since they have already spent a bunch of time and money on it.

One concern I have is what good will a bunch of points be in 10 years when the wolves, cougars, hairloss, blue tongue, etc. have decreased the herd numbers to where they can't afford to have many permits anyway. 

If WDFW would pull their head out, they would realize that they would get more people buying hunting licenses and tags if they would be honest about the wolf and cougar problem in this state and do something about that.  Then there would be more deer/elk/moose/goats, for hunters to want to purchase tags for.

[bobcat]

If WDFW would pull their head out

Maybe not the best idea, that's a lot of heads that would have to be pulled out, one-thousand six-hundred and twenty-seven to be exact.....

Just might be enough to create its own weather system in Olympia, if all the heads were pulled out simultaneously, possibly causing a tornado. There are enough natural catastrophes in this world as it is. No need to be wishing for more than what mother nature is going to dish out on her own...

Anybody want to see a list of WDFW employees and their salaries?   Look here:  http://www.ofm.wa.gov/persdetail/2009/477.pdf

[SkookumHntr]

They already paid for the new system..its done.

From what susan yeager said its not a done deal at all. Its not even passed by the commision yet. She may be blowing smoke too but I'll definetly be finding out at the meetings.

[Curly]

If WDFW would pull their head out

Anybody want to see a list of WDFW employees and their salaries?   Look here:  http://www.ofm.wa.gov/persdetail/2009/477.pdf

I see there is a director there that makes almost $11,000 per month....

[boneaddict]

ABugg you've been holding out on us.....    

[Curly]

S. Fitkin makes $5,010 per month...........

[billythekidrock]

long term benefit goes to WDFW in the form of increased revenue for the addtional $5 per special permit application

Depending on the way this works.  It looks like it would be another $20 per year for me.

$5 for elk quality
$5 for elk antlerless
$5 for deer antlerless (maybe)
$5 for deer quality

I will still be applying for the $5 deer antlered (that may not fall in the quality pool)
I will still be applying for the $5 elk anterled (that may not fall in the quality pool)

Don't forget about the guys that are Master Hunters.  They get the opportunity to spend another $5 for deer and $5 for elk.

Don't forget $5 for the Big Game package...or $5 each for the 5 packages ($25) depending on how they want to put it out there.

[whacker1]

Thanks for reminding me BTKR  Here I thought I saved a couple bucks.

[billythekidrock]

Thanks for reminding me BTKR  Here I thought I saved a couple bucks.

  Yea, same here.

[JBar]

Holy crap this thing is up to 27 pages!  If they are after revenue and want to make the system better to draw why don't they put a  minimum 2 point system in place, charge successful applicants an extra $10 bucks to receive their special permit ( you know the 50 cent card they send you in the mail ) and any permits that are not purchased by a specified date go on sale as a leftover tag for $50 or $100 on a first come first served basis to unsuccessful applicants. This would give them an extra 10 bucks per special permit, plus extra for any leftover tags and the 2 points minimum would keep guys buying points while taking out 1/3 of the applicants each year. If I'm thinking this through right the first year would be kind of screwed as all applicants would be in the pool but after the 1st year they applicants should decrease by about a third the second year by 2/3 increasing the chances for those who have not drawn yet by a bunch that third year. Hopefully I described that without being to confusing. I'm sure this is flawed in some way also but if a lame arse like myself can figure something out the state should be able to do better than me. Well maybe not!

[bobcat]

I like that idea of charging $10 for those who are successful in drawing a permit. I've never heard anything like that before.