An offer to help

[MasterMisser]

this was the set up that was recamended to me to maximize my arrows speed. I was told it would work just fine. Can you do me a fav and calculate the numbers using an 80lb draw... as well as switching over to the beman elites .340 spine? i would like to know the kinetic energy with the .340 spine and 80/84lbs

[mtbiker]

Seriously???   That's not cool (note to self, re: SVA).

[colockumelk]

Hey Todd hows it going?  Could you let me know the performance I can expect from my bowset up and my wifes bow set up.  Such as the arrow speed, KE and arrow drop from 20yds out to 50yds.  My bow is shooting a 455g arrow at 262 FPS.  My wifes bow is shooting a 353g arrow at 229 FPS.  Thanks.  BTW thank you for the advice.  Heavier is awsome.  I have never shot so accurate.  Love it or had so much trouble pulling arrows out of a target.  (Awsome penetration)  Thanks.

Need more info here.  Point weights, fletch type, etc. all have an effect on the flight.  Basically list out everything again, and I can make it happen, but there are too many variables to make guesses and end up anywhere near accurate results.

No problem here's my bow info.

Hoyt AM32.  IBO is 321.
My draw weight is 68lbs and my draw length is 28"
My arrow is an Easton Axis 300 spine that is 10.7gpi
My tip is a 125g head.  The insert weighs 19grains.  (Havnt decided on the head.  Deciding between the Shuttle T or the Slick Trick)
My arrow's are cut to 27"   (if you include the nock.  If not then 26.5")  The nock weighs 9 grains
My fletchings are 2" blazers with a 3 degree offset to the left.  Each vane is 6grains for a total of 18grains
The total arrow weight is 455grains and the chrono said it is shooting 262 fps.

My wifes bow is a Hoyt Kobalt.  Its IBO is 310fps
Her draw weight is 46# and her draw length is 27"
Her arrow is an Easton Axis 500 that weighs 8.1gpi
Her tip is a 100g with a 19grain insert. 
Her arrows are cut to 26" (if you include the nock.  If not then 25.5")n  The nock weighs 9 grains.
Her fletchings are 2" blazers with a 3 degree offset to the left.  Each vane weighs 6 grains for a total of 18grains
The total arrow weight is 353 grains and the chrono said it is shooting 229fps

Hope this helps Todd.  Thanks again.  Hey do you recommend the Slick Trick magnum or the Shuttle T-Loc.?

[Button Nubbs]

I want to see if my spine is correct.
The bow is a 2O1O hoyt maxxis 35, at 65lbs 29" draw.
My arrows are carbon express maxima hunter 35O's cut at 28". 1OOgr tip, 3 blazers and a blazer wrap, bulldog nock collar and the standard inserts and nocks for them.
Thanks!

[Todd_ID]

this was the set up that was recamended to me to maximize my arrows speed. I was told it would work just fine. Can you do me a fav and calculate the numbers using an 80lb draw... as well as switching over to the beman elites .340 spine? i would like to know the kinetic energy with the .340 spine and 80/84lbs

Why not just try and get the right spine?  Speed should come third in line after safety and reliability of flight (proper spine), at least in my opinion.

Since you asked about the .340's and 80#, though, here it is: 311 fps, 398 grain arrow, 13.3% FOC, 85.4 ft-lbs KE

Go to 80# and the .300 spine ICS Hunter Elites and you get: 309 fps, 403 grain arrow, 13.1% FOC, 86 ft-lbs KE.

[Todd_ID]

Colockum,
Your bow: 13.8% FOC, 69.6 ft-lbs KE, 35" 20-50 drop, 58.1 ft-lbs KE @ 50 @ 239 fps.

Your wifes: 14.15%, 41 ft-lbs, 47.2" 20-50 drop, 35.3 ft-lbs @ 50 @ 212.5 fps.

I'd gladly recommend either broadhead.  The Slick Tricks have killed several deer for me; with new blades they are scary sharp, they fly great, and I can resharpen them on my Lansky.  The Shuttle T's I haven't shot, but I've seen 2 deer and an elk that have been killed with them, and they punch a nasty big hole all the way through because of the design, and everyone says they fly great.

[Todd_ID]

I want to see if my spine is correct.
The bow is a 2O1O hoyt maxxis 35, at 65lbs 29" draw.
My arrows are carbon express maxima hunter 35O's cut at 28". 1OOgr tip, 3 blazers and a blazer wrap, bulldog nock collar and the standard inserts and nocks for them.
Thanks!

No problem.  Here's what it says for your setup: 287 fps, 391 grain arrow, 11.5% FOC, 71.3 ft-lbs KE, 20-50 drop is 28", KE @ 50 is 60.5 @ 264 fps.  The recommended spine shows .379", so your .337" Maxima's are a bit stiff but not so much so that you'd notice any difference by spending hundreds for new arrows just to get a little closer to the proper spine.  You could go to a 125 grain head and get a recommended spine of .366", 281 fps, 416 grain arrow, 13.9% FOC, 73.2 ft-lbs KE, 29.3" drop, 62.1 ft-lbs KE @ 50 @ 259.4 fps.

You're in a good spot to be able to play around a bit with point weights and see which flys best.  If you''ve already got everything you could possibly want and are happy with it, then I say don't monkey with a not broke system.  The biggest advantage I see in your setup going from 100 grains to 125 grains is the gain in FOC; you'll see better broadhead flight the higher you get. 

[colockumelk]

Colockum,
Your bow: 13.8% FOC, 69.6 ft-lbs KE, 35" 20-50 drop, 58.1 ft-lbs KE @ 50 @ 239 fps.

Your wifes: 14.15%, 41 ft-lbs, 47.2" 20-50 drop, 35.3 ft-lbs @ 50 @ 212.5 fps.

I'd gladly recommend either broadhead.  The Slick Tricks have killed several deer for me; with new blades they are scary sharp, they fly great, and I can resharpen them on my Lansky.  The Shuttle T's I haven't shot, but I've seen 2 deer and an elk that have been killed with them, and they punch a nasty big hole all the way through because of the design, and everyone says they fly great.

Thanks Todd for the info.  I think I'm gonna go witht he Slick Tricks.  I've heard too much good stuff not to go with them.  Plus  I  watched a broad head test where they shot an 55 galon barrel with various broadheads and the slick trick looked like it hadn't even been shot AND put a HUGE hole in the barrel as well.

[Todd_ID]

Nothing wrong with the Slick Tricks!  I'd be shooting one of the two now if it wasn't for Magnus' lifetime warranty.  I can't seem to lose them fast enough.  A pass through into a rock gets me a new broadhead instead of a retired one, so the only way to get rid of them is to lose them.

[colockumelk]

That is too funny Todd.  Which Magnus do you shoot?  I plan on giving the slick trick a shot on some hogs.  Then I plan on giving the Shuttle-T a try on some hogs and then I guess maybe I'll see what the ole Magnus does to a hog.  The nice thing about living in Alabama right now is the fact that you can hunt hogs all year round and there isn't a limit so I can do some serious real-world testing of broad heads.  I wont be able to hunt elk for another couple of years so I've got time to do some testing. 

I've even bought a pack of Rage 2-blade mechanicals to try on some deer.  Just because I'm a gear whore and I like to try everything.  I will admit the nice thing about them is there isn't any broadhead tuning involved.  I really like how tight my G5 Strykers group but I just don't like how far below my rest my nock point is to get them to group with my field points.  Again thanks for the advice Todd.  Good luck this weekend in La Grande.

[Todd_ID]

Shooting the Stinger 4 blades.  I had tried the Snuffer SS, but I couldn't sharpen them enough to feel good about hunting with them, though.  The Stingers can be taken apart and put in my Lansky, so they get scary sharp.  I've had good luck with them.

[colockumelk]

I just went to their website Todd and Holy Moly you weren't kidding.  LIFETIME WARRANTY!!!!! How the heck do they make any money?  I'm going to test the Slick Trick's on hogs because I've already ordered them.  But my next set of Broad Head's are gonna be some Magnus BH's.   Because yeah a lifetime warranty on Stainless Steel 100% spin tested COC broadheads is just too good to pass up. 

You mentioned that the Snuffer SS was too hard to sharpen.  Why was that?  Also how did they fly and did they penetrate well.  I like the COC and looks of the Snuffer.  So that is what I'll probably get.  Any case what did you think of them other than the problems with sharpening them??

[Todd_ID]

No problems at all with them.  I shot a mule deer buck lengthwise that broke several big bones including the femur and the head was perfect.  I bought three different sharpeners trying to get them sharp with no real luck.  My best sharpening was with a flat file, but it's probably just me.  Some say they can get them or Montecs sharp enough; either they have a better touch or lower standards.

[colockumelk]

I'd say they probably have lower standards.  I am seriously regretting buying the Slick Tricks.  Lifetime warranty man that is so awsome.  I wish I'd have known that sooner.  Oh well.  I've heard about some cool blood trails with Slick Tricks so I guess I'll see for myself and of course post the pics.  I've got some bait "marinating" in a bucket so we'll see how that goes. 

Oh BTW I'm sorry I jacked this thread Todd.  I didn't mean to get it off track. 

[Button Nubbs]

I want to see if my spine is correct.
The bow is a 2O1O hoyt maxxis 35, at 65lbs 29" draw.
My arrows are carbon express maxima hunter 35O's cut at 28". 1OOgr tip, 3 blazers and a blazer wrap, bulldog nock collar and the standard inserts and nocks for them.
Thanks!

No problem.  Here's what it says for your setup: 287 fps, 391 grain arrow, 11.5% FOC, 71.3 ft-lbs KE, 20-50 drop is 28", KE @ 50 is 60.5 @ 264 fps.  The recommended spine shows .379", so your .337" Maxima's are a bit stiff but not so much so that you'd notice any difference by spending hundreds for new arrows just to get a little closer to the proper spine.  You could go to a 125 grain head and get a recommended spine of .366", 281 fps, 416 grain arrow, 13.9% FOC, 73.2 ft-lbs KE, 29.3" drop, 62.1 ft-lbs KE @ 50 @ 259.4 fps.

You're in a good spot to be able to play around a bit with point weights and see which flys best.  If you''ve already got everything you could possibly want and are happy with it, then I say don't monkey with a not broke system.  The biggest advantage I see in your setup going from 100 grains to 125 grains is the gain in FOC; you'll see better broadhead flight the higher you get. 

hey todd
125's have helped in tuning. thanks for the idea! if i was to up the poundage on my bow how high would i have to go to get my arrow as close to perfectly spined as possible? the reason i ask is because the broadheads i wanna shoot are very spine sensitive.

thanks!