email reply to my email re: the 8 different choices thread...

[huntnphool]

 There is another problem our native friends could be helping us out with.

[shanevg]

I think the real key (as stated) is the bias in the way they word their surveys.  Essentially every question is: do you want more opportunities to hunt, or less?  If they worded a question like: "Did you know that by allowing only 2 choices per application your chances of drawing would increase by 200%?  What do you think of that?" Then they might get some actually positive responses (although i do know that is still a directed question)!

[shanevg]

BTW, I also sent an email.  No response for me.

[bobcat]

I was reading through the information the WDFW has on their website regarding the changes they propose. The part below that I put in bold struck me kind of funny:

These complaints have merit.  Under the current system, all applications for special deer permits are randomly drawn from the same pool, each weighted according to the number of points the applicant has accumulated from past drawings.  The computer calculates these points and registers the hunter’s preferences (e.g. “buck,” “second antlerless”), but ultimately draws successful applications for all special deer hunts from the same pool.  The same is true, under the current system, for elk permits.

This “pooling” approach also creates problems for WDFW.  Errors and delays in permit drawings are far more likely under a system that requires the computer to cross-reference so many applications at once.  

So they're saying with these new changes that create at least 14 new categories, the special permit drawing is going to be less prone to errors    

[shanevg]

I was reading through the information the WDFW has on their website regarding the changes they propose. The part below that I put in bold struck me kind of funny:

These complaints have merit.  Under the current system, all applications for special deer permits are randomly drawn from the same pool, each weighted according to the number of points the applicant has accumulated from past drawings.  The computer calculates these points and registers the hunter’s preferences (e.g. “buck,” “second antlerless”), but ultimately draws successful applications for all special deer hunts from the same pool.  The same is true, under the current system, for elk permits.

This “pooling” approach also creates problems for WDFW.  Errors and delays in permit drawings are far more likely under a system that requires the computer to cross-reference so many applications at once.  

So they're saying with these new changes that create at least 14 new categories, the special permit drawing is going to be less prone to errors    

That's what they are saying...

[bobcat]

It seems to make the draw go easier they could allow only 1 choice on each application and keep the number of "pools" to the minimum. But instead:
they are having:

a variety of categories, to include: 1) buck or bull permits, 2) antlerless permits, 3) second tag antlerless permits, 4) quality hunt permits, 5) youth hunt permits, 6) senior hunt permits, 7) disabled hunter permits, and 8] Master Hunter permits.

     

[Lowedog]

I think they are saying because each pool will be drawn independent of the others it will make it easier.  I am not sure but I think the way it is done now is they just draw for deer and when your number comes up it is cross referenced with your choices.   


From the response of Dave Ware I think they will go forward with it.  It will be interesting to see how it works out.  If a lot of people buy multiple applications the dept will see it as a success. 

[JBar]

They are almost forcing hunters to buy more permits by implementing this system if the hunter wants to continue putting in for the same hunts that they used to apply for on one application.

[billythekidrock]

It seems to make the draw go easier they could allow only 1 choice on each application and keep the number of "pools" to the minimum. But instead:
they are having:

a variety of categories, to include: 1) buck or bull permits, 2) antlerless permits, 3) second tag antlerless permits, 4) quality hunt permits, 5) youth hunt permits, 6) senior hunt permits, 7) disabled hunter permits, and 8] Master Hunter permits.

     

So now instead of applying for the one MH unit (and saving up points) I can now apply for a quality hunt with 4 choices and make the odds worse for those wanting to draw a quality tag.

[billythekidrock]

They are almost forcing hunters to buy more permits by implementing this system if the hunter wants to continue putting in for the same hunts that they used to apply for on one application.

Not almost..they are, and they know it. It is purely a revenue generating project. They know that we will have to keep up with the "Jones's" to even have a hope of drawing in the future.

The problem is those with a lot of points (10 or more) will have them straight acrossed the board and have a monopoly on all categories. Yes, I know you can draw with one or minimal points, but for the most part those with max points will be drawing the most permits in all categories for the next few years. Those that have always applied for meat permits will be beaten out by those who typically only apply for trophy hunts.

So now it comes to the money part and if you can't afford to apply for every category every year then you fall farther and farther behind.

I am eligible for 5 of the categories and I know some that will be able to apply for 7 of them. So now instead of 2 permit apps (deer and elk = $10), I will have to apply for 8-10 categories ($40-$50) just to hope to get drawn for something in the future. Then you throw in the wife and kid(s)? How can a guy afford another $150 a year just to keep up on points?

[boneaddict]

This is the e-mail that I used
director@dfw.wa.gov
 

[jackelope]

that is the email i used as well, however the response came from a different guy.

[Wacenturion]

that is the email i used as well, however the response came from a different guy.

The Director doesn't read your requests or respond directly even if it has his own signature on the return letter or email.  These kind of inquiries are given to wildlife management or the apporiate program (fish for fish issues etc.)to answer.....i.e Dave Ware and others.  So if you think the Director is seeing your question, you're grossly mistaken. 

If his signature is on it it is because it's a response to something and/or somebody who the agency thinks needs his signature to make it seem as though the response is coming directly from him and therefore makes it more personal.  In this case the Director has read and signed the letter, although someone on his staff wrote it.  You would be much better off complaining to members of the Commission............or better yet the Governor's office, which automatically gives it a higher priority as far as WDFW is concerned when it is sent down to the Director's office, although the same process described above takes place.

[Wacenturion]

It seems to make the draw go easier they could allow only 1 choice on each application and keep the number of "pools" to the minimum. But instead:
they are having:

a variety of categories, to include: 1) buck or bull permits, 2) antlerless permits, 3) second tag antlerless permits, 4) quality hunt permits, 5) youth hunt permits, 6) senior hunt permits, 7) disabled hunter permits, and 8] Master Hunter permits.

     

So now instead of applying for the one MH unit (and saving up points) I can now apply for a quality hunt with 4 choices and make the odds worse for those wanting to draw a quality tag.

YEP!

[Bob33]

"So they're saying with these new changes that create at least 14 new categories, the special permit drawing is going to be less prone to errors "

Yes - that's the way it works today.  Scott Brown was the first Republican elected in several decades in Massachusetts, overcoming a 30 point Democratic lead, because the voters were angry at Republican George Bush.  That's what the man said.  Must be true.