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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2010, 03:56:09 PM »
My email.

Dear WDFW and the Commission,

I think it is a bit ironic that that you are now asking for help from the fishing and hunting community to help defeat this bill.  I guess I just need to remind you of all of the times the WDFW was either neutral or proactive in eliminating hunters rights.  Continually raising the cost while providing less and less opportunity to us hunters and fishers.  Where were you when they wanted to eliminate hound hunting for cats and bears?  Where were you when they eliminated bear baiting?  The commission eliminated dogs for coyote hunting all on its own because it had become "socially unacceptable".  Where was the WDFW when our most effective tools were eliminated for trapping.  You continually choose predators over hunters for wildlife management.  The wolf plan is prime example of this.  Creating a lop sided wolf commission to choose wolves over hunters not considering hunting as way of wolf management.  And it is only thanks to State law and the U.S. Constitution  that you allow us to carry weapon for protection while archery hunting.  Not making enforcement officers the number one priority has led to rampant poaching, trespassing, and other outdoors abuses.  Which has closed most of the roads and timber lands to driving.  I cant take my young daughter and my dad hunting anymore because they cant walk miles into gated areas.  And you ask us to help with this as well.  Now that your jobs and control are on the line you have the nerve to ask for our help....unbelievable.  I just read your email and no where in it did it even mention hunters and fishers as any kind of concern to you.  Maybe its time you experience how it feels to be hung out to dry.

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2010, 03:58:19 PM »
My email.

Dear WDFW and the Commission,

I think it is a bit ironic that that you are now asking for help from the fishing and hunting community to help defeat this bill.  I guess I just need to remind you of all of the times the WDFW was either neutral or proactive in eliminating hunters rights.  Continually raising the cost while providing less and less opportunity to us hunters and fishers.  Where were you when they wanted to eliminate hound hunting for cats and bears?  Where were you when they eliminated bear baiting?  The commission eliminated dogs for coyote hunting all on its own because it had become "socially unacceptable".  Where was the WDFW when our most effective tools were eliminated for trapping.  You continually choose predators over hunters for wildlife management.  The wolf plan is prime example of this.  Creating a lop sided wolf commission to choose wolves over hunters not considering hunting as way of wolf management.  And it is only thanks to State law and the U.S. Constitution  that you allow us to carry weapon for protection while archery hunting.  Not making enforcement officers the number one priority has led to rampant poaching, trespassing, and other outdoors abuses.  Which has closed most of the roads and timber lands to driving.  I cant take my young daughter and my dad hunting anymore because they cant walk miles into gated areas.  And you ask us to help with this as well.  Now that your jobs and control are on the line you have the nerve to ask for our help....unbelievable.  I just read your email and no where in it did it even mention hunters and fishers as any kind of concern to you.  Maybe its time you experience how it feels to be hung out to dry.

Happy hunting....(job hunting.)
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Naithan Kain

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2010, 04:00:58 PM »
This might be a golden opportunity to get some change out of WDFW..I wonder how much they would like hearing hunters show up to meetings complaining about them and telling the legislature to shut it down... :chuckle:
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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2010, 04:04:17 PM »
Yes, a thousand of that type of letter would get some notice, even 50 would have to get some attention.  :chuckle:

What's sad, in 30 days after the leg votes it's probably all water under the bridge and forgotten. :(
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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2010, 04:05:59 PM »
Im going to send them a list of perceived grievances... :chuckle:
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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2010, 04:09:58 PM »
Yes, a thousand of that type of letter would get some notice, even 50 would have to get some attention.  :chuckle:

What's sad, in 30 days after the leg votes it's probably all water under the bridge and forgotten. :(

I fear you are right about that.  Plenty of other examples people could give.  I didnt even get to fishing changes.

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2010, 05:52:15 PM »
DNR is not a general authorities agency (an enforcement issue) hence the bill would create numerous wildlife enforcement issues across all elements of the regulated communities.  Many of the comments forwarded when the bill focused on the measure being nothing but political "reform smoke and mirrors;" a bill "designed to eliminate citizen participation in wildlife management" and numerous, similar examples. 

I am writing this to provide more info on the enforcement issue. Right now WDFW is known as a general authority law enforcement agency which basically allows them to enforce all laws of the state from traffic to drugs to wildlife. The only other state agency that is general authority is the state patrol. DNR has 9 law enforcement officers however DNR is a limited authority law enforcement agency, they have the authority to enforce hunting/fishing laws, DNR laws (mainly timber issues), and traffic violations that occur ON DNR lands. Other examples of limited authority agencies are the Liquor Control Board (which has authority to enforce only alcohol and tobacco laws) and State Parks (which has full police powers but only in state parks).

Under this legislation the WDFW would disappear and basically fall under the DNR. However as it is currently written there is no transfer of law enforcement powers to give DNR officers general authority. Which would mean the day this bill becomes law, all former WDFW officers would become DNR officers and basically lose all of the authority they had and would only be able to enforce the laws I wrote above. Now some people have said that WDFW officers should only enforce hunting/fishing laws and not deal with things such as traffic and drugs. However, let’s say you have someone trespassing on your property; a DNR officer/former WDFW officer has no authority over trespass laws because trespassing is not a fish/wildlife statute and thus would be powerless in arresting/citing the trespasser. Let’s say there is people smoking dope or underage drinkers at your favorite WDFW boat launch, a WDFW/DNR officer would not have authority to do anything, they would have to call the local state patrol, city police, or sheriff to come deal with it. What I basically mean is it ties officer’s hands behind their back.

Now what DNR law enforcement currently does is try to gain full authority law enforcement powers by asking each individual county sheriff to commission (commonly known as deputizing) their officers, which basically gives the DNR officer full police authority but only in that county. And the DNR has to do this for each 39 counties in the state. Now some sheriffs are very good about this (Kittitas County for example is great) however other sheriffs (such as King County) have policies that no outside agency can be commissioned. This creates obvious problems with what the public needs and expects of their officers. Another issue is that these commissions are only valid while the sheriff who commissioned the dept is in office. For example the current Sheriff in Kittitas County is Gene Dauna, he does have an agreement with DNR to give their officers full authority in Kittitas County, but let’s say Dauna is fired/retires/or leaves and the next sheriff comes in, that new sheriff can then either continue the agreement or decommission the officers basically taking their powers away. I think right now DNR has agreements with only about half of the states sheriffs to give their officers full police powers in their county. Federal agencies such as BLM and the Forest Service also do this same type of commissioning if they want to enforce state laws, if they aren’t commissioned then they can only enforce federal laws.

If anybody has any other enforcement related ?’s send them my way.

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2010, 05:55:09 PM »
This bill is sounding better and better...
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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2010, 07:05:03 PM »
Thanks bigtex that was interesting.  To me it seems like a problem that has some options to make it work either way.  So many times we are referred to State Police when dealing with wildlife issues anyways.   :dunno:  Deputizing DNR officers or giving the funding to State police to hire specialized officers seems reasonable to me.  

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2010, 10:07:49 PM »
Getting my fingers ready to fire off some more letters this weekend.

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2010, 10:17:07 PM »
Bigtex that certainly brings another piece of wood to the fire. Some officers are spending a lot of time with speeders and woodcutters. That doesn't seem quite right to me, I think wildlife dollars should be spent stopping poachers rather than worrying about wood permits and people breaking the speed limit in a speed zone, that's what other law enforcement agencies are for. :twocents:
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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2010, 07:04:17 AM »
Illegal wood cutters are destroying habitat on our state owned property. DNR people are unable to do anything about it, according to a acquaintance with DNR, not enough enforcement people. The Pend Oreille county prosecuter told him, he is not going to get concerned about a little wood cutting. DFW may have a little more clout.

If you think DFW deserves closed and it can't get any worse, WAKE UP.  It can get a lot worse. It is a long way's from perfect now, but nothing like it could be.

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2010, 09:06:13 AM »
Illegal wood cutters are destroying habitat on our state owned property. DNR people are unable to do anything about it, according to a acquaintance with DNR, not enough enforcement people. The Pend Oreille county prosecuter told him, he is not going to get concerned about a little wood cutting. DFW may have a little more clout.

If you think DFW deserves closed and it can't get any worse, WAKE UP.  It can get a lot worse. It is a long way's from perfect now, but nothing like it could be.

Most wood cutters cut wood along the roads, (illegal wood cutters are destroying habitat) I don't really see your point. The WDFW put the wolves as endangered in Washington, the planting of wolves started in Washington before the YNP. I believe with WDFW running the show your hunting will soon be replaced with wildlife viewing. Maybe its time to try something new.

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2010, 09:30:10 AM »
Illegal wood cutters are destroying habitat on our state owned property. DNR people are unable to do anything about it, according to a acquaintance with DNR, not enough enforcement people. The Pend Oreille county prosecuter told him, he is not going to get concerned about a little wood cutting. DFW may have a little more clout.

If you think DFW deserves closed and it can't get any worse, WAKE UP.  It can get a lot worse. It is a long way's from perfect now, but nothing like it could be.

Unfortunately your correct in that the Prosecuter's do not take wood theft seriously, unfortunately they do not take wildlife violations very serious either.  Our SO handles a lot of woodtheft cases as there is only one DNR enforcement guy in the area for 3 counties.  They do not take the cases any more serious from us than they do from DNR.  WDFW is in the same boat now with game violations.  I take both seriously but I can somewhat understand the ideology from the Prosecutor at least here.  We swamp them with 1000's of cases a year and in the end it comes down to man hours and court space available and a triage of cases where the most serious take importance.

I don't think shutting down WDFW is the answer what I would like to see is it get back to the business of management of abundance and while its important to protect other species get back to supporting game management as in days of old.

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Re: Alert: SB 6813 - WDFW Elimination
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2010, 10:14:40 AM »
Bigtex that certainly brings another piece of wood to the fire. Some officers are spending a lot of time with speeders and woodcutters. That doesn't seem quite right to me, I think wildlife dollars should be spent stopping poachers rather than worrying about wood permits and people breaking the speed limit in a speed zone, that's what other law enforcement agencies are for. :twocents:

Well actually one of DFW officers main duties are to enforce laws that are known as special forest products which are things like salaal, mushroom, fern pickers and wood cutters. This is mainly because it is a natural resource law. Last year after the Natural Resource Reform ideas went thru one of the final outcome regarding enforcement was that WDFW officers assist DNR officers in more wood cutting cases because DNR officers are spread so thin.

Right now WDFW officers are actually limited by agency policy as to how much traffic enforcement they do. No WDFW officer has a radar gun for speed enforcement however there are some that pull over for other traffic violations. I know some WDFW officers who say they will only do a traffic stop if it is a dangerous situation such as DUI or agressive driving, but there are other WDFW officers who say they are police officer with a Fish/Wildlife emphasis however they will do a traffic stop if there is a law violation

 


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